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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hi Dirk. I don't recall that Moller cited the alleged the gold wheel as evidence in his video. Correct me if mistaken. I believe Ron Wyatt alleged that it existed. If it did exist, I doubt that it remained long after the word got out. .
I'm not taking a position on the alleged gold wheel as to whether it exists/existed or not. I said that the mountain was debatable, but more so if it stood alone, like the traditional Mt Sinai does, lacking anything else. The fact that there is even a black topped mountain in the right succession to my row of ducks lends some (I say some) credence to it's significance. (ABE)Unfortunately the mountain is guarded from access for analysis. I wonder what the Saudi's have to hide, that they see the need to guard it?? Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
You claimed there was a calf altar, but presented no evidence. Jar, copy and pasting repeatedly the same ole is a waste of bandwidth and contributes nothing edifying. You need to show where I ever claimed there was a calf alter in any Exodus thread before repeatedly alleging that I did. You've spun that up from whole cloth. Worshipping an idol does not necessarily constitute setting up an alter. I am not aware of anything in the Biblical account that says there was a golden calf alter perse. Even if there were ever one, Moses, being exceedingly angry at the sheeple would have destroyed it along with the golden calf. Go figure. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
People have been goading me about evidence along the trail of the multitude of Israelites in the wilderness.
It just came to mind that very likely, they were careful to tidy up before moving on, leaving no lasting trail for anyone might wanting to pursue them during the two years of movement.As for their lengthy sojourn at Kaddish Barn-ea (Petra), I've already covered that, in that many cultures have occupied that over the millennia. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
What does a black topped mountain have to do with anything? Where does the Biblical account say anything about a black topped mountain? Even the bush that God spoke through wasn't burnt. The fact that there is even a black topped mountain in the right succession to my row of ducks lends some (I say some) credence to it's significance. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Firstly Buz, Moller IS a crackpot on this subject. His "work" proves it. You can't appeal to a crackpot work by claiming that the author isn't a crackpot. ANd you KNOW that he is because you know he subscribes to Wyatt's crazy rewrite of Egyptian history, which you don't dare defend, you know he thinks that Moses was two DIFFERENT people. How can you say that he isn't a crackpot knowing all this ?
Likewise alleging that Moller "scientifically proved" that the Gulf of Aqaba at Nuweiba is shallower than the Gulf of Suez - when you already know that isn't true (hence your imagined "sandbar") is just silly. So is claiming that you will produce more evidence in the near future - and then weeks later denying that you have any any more than you had already produced. Take off your blinders Buz. Look at what you are saying. Stop making things up.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: It's there. Exodus 32:5
4 He took this from their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool and made it into a molten calf; and they said, "This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt." 5 Now when Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made a proclamation and said, "Tomorrow shall be a feast to the LORD."
You also need to go back and look at Moller's work. Even if Wyatt's "golden wheel" is not in the video (and I think that it is) it certainly is in Moller's book.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2295 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Buz, do you have any idea how long it would take to make sure you leave no evidence when you are with a group of 5-6 million people? Seriously, it would be better to just leave the shit lying around then to spend days/weeks making sure not a single thing is left behind.
People have been goading me about evidence along the trail of the multitude of Israelites in the wilderness.It just came to mind that very likely, they were careful to tidy up before moving on, leaving no lasting trail for anyone might wanting to pursue them during the two years of movement.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Hi Buz,
I've posted a number of requests for evidence from you, but have not as yet seen any satisfactory responses. Other participants have also noted the lack of evidence, and the thread's topic is becoming less and less about the Exodus and more and more about cajoling you into following rule 4 of the Forum Guidelines:
So I'm going to close this thread now. If there comes a time when you're willing to build your points around evidence then please post a note to Thread Reopen Requests 2.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Please keep the focus of discussion on the evidence supporting your position or the thread will be closed again.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: You claimed there was a calf altar, but presented no evidence. Jar, copy and pasting repeatedly the same ole is a waste of bandwidth and contributes nothing edifying. You need to show where I ever claimed there was a calf alter in any Exodus thread before repeatedly alleging that I did. You've spun that up from whole cloth. Worshipping an idol does not necessarily constitute setting up an alter. I am not aware of anything in the Biblical account that says there was a golden calf alter perse. Even if there were ever one, Moses, being exceedingly angry at the sheeple would have destroyed it along with the golden calf. Go figure. Beginning with Message 41 you claimed that:
quote: Here are the pictures with an arrow pointing to the section where Ron Wyatt doctored the image to claim that it was Egyptian influenced depiction of Calf worship.
Here is the image Ron Wyatt doctored.
and here are more closeups of the rock in question.
Perhaps you can tell us where a "calf" is depicted on the rock?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How did Wyatt doctor the image? In what way?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
quote: I assume Jar is referring to the way some lines in the image attributed to Wyatt appear to be emphasized over other lines.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You mean how a portion of it has been highlighted by greying out the surrounding area?
Is that what he meant!? I read it as him saying that Wyatt changed the content somehow, not just highlighting it. But you might be right...
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: You mean how a portion of it has been highlighted by greying out the surrounding area? Is that what he meant!? I read it as him saying that Wyatt changed the content somehow, not just highlighting it. But you might be right... I was referring to him using the technique called burning to alter the contents as described in my post at Message 25.
If you look at the images on the rock you can see that not only are they two separate images and unrelated, the human one has a classic phallus which was burned out.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
jar writes: If you look at the images on the rock you can see that not only are they two separate images and unrelated,... They're so close together that they look related to me, sort of like a man milking a cow.
...the human one has a classic phallus which was burned out. I can't see any phallus in the image in the un-retouched photo, if the one pointed to by the red arrow is the one you mean:
--Percy
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