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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: when it comes to the bible there is no accepting of different viewpoints. if it disagrees with the Bible then it is wrong. Why?
archaeologist writes: you should discard your alternatives and follow the Bible. Why? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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archaeologist Inactive Member |
Why? simple, if God lied once then He would not be God and there would be no hope nor salvation for mankind. and your charade of being a devout christian would be useless. you may fool men but you do not fool God.
Why? because it is the only book that makes sense and makes sense of everything. evolutionists are like people who reject their heritage then run around trying to figure out who they are and when they can't find it, they invent something so they get some sort of answer, even though it is incorrect. Edited by archaeologist, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: jar writes: Why? simple, if God lied once then He would not be God and there would be no hope nor salvation for mankind. and your charade of being a devout christian would be useless. you may fool men but you do not fool God. But your position means that the god you worship is in fact a liar and a cheat. God you claim is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, and you also seem to think that God wrote the Bible. Since when we look at what the Bible says we find that it does not align with what God did (creating all that is, seen and unseen). Since we most certainly did not create the world we live on, we can say that part really is what God did. You God though either lied in the bible or in the Earth. My Christian life is what I believe we are called to do, to treat others as we would like to be treated. Whether or not I will be saved is of course an unknown. Salvation is by the Grace of God.
archaeologist writes: jar writes: Why? because it is the only book that makes sense and makes sense of everything. evolutionists are like people who reject their heritage then run around trying to figure out who they are and when they can't find it, they invent something so they get some sort of answer, even though it is incorrect. Except as I have shown you, often it does NOT make sense. In fact, there is not even such a thing as "The Bible". Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Bikerman Member (Idle past 4978 days) Posts: 276 From: Frodsham, Chester Joined: |
Raised Catholic and now creationist? Not too many decades ago that would have been odd. Unfortunately the Catholics have elected one reactionary bigot after another as Pope. The new one is possibly the worst of the two. Ratzinger is toying with intelligent design and has been for a while. He is also the one who moved all the paedophile priests around some years ago, which makes his denials of the problem nauseating.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/...f-child-abuse-by-priests.do I say all this in case you want to go on the attack and try to change her religious certainty. I must also add that I think it would fail and perhaps push it to a point of no return, but personally I would be so insulted and offended by the fact that she would choose to have them educated by an institution headed by a paedophile protector and not trust me with my own children, that I might find it impossible to avoid pointing out the irony, insult and illogicality of her stupidity in no uncetain terms. At which point the situation would be at defcon 1 about to go nuclear. Just before I go on, one thing worries me...is this a sudden change on her part or did you genuinely not realise that these were her beliefs before? If the latter than I have to question your communications with each other.....it is the sort of thing you really should know methinks.....(no offence is intended by that). Either way - I've given you my extreme view in order to paint a probable worst-case scenario. I am serious in that this is how I would probably feel that I had to handle it and I know that divorce would be at least even odds with that approach. Now you have to work out where your line in the sand is and what happens if and when she steps over it....If I am on one extreme the other would be complete compromise. You need to position yourself between those two as self-honestly as you can. What are you prepared and able to put up with and what are you not prepared to concede. You are on your own I'm afraid, but I wish you well and hope you manage a resolution that you, she, and most of all the children can accept....
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Apothecus Member (Idle past 2433 days) Posts: 275 From: CA USA Joined: |
Ah, dude, I think he said he cut bait.
Yep, see Message 25. But good advice, nonetheless. Have a good one. p.s. Roadbiker or Motorbiker?
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archaeologist Inactive Member |
But your position means that the god you worship is in fact a liar and a cheat where? specifics not generalized declarations. evidence please.
Since when we look at what the Bible says we find that it does not align with what God did no here you are insinuating and inserting secular science into what God did and that cannot be done. you need to realize that a field of study, that was not present at the time of origin, designed to look for natural answers, cannot determine what took place at creation nor declare what God did or didn't do.
Since we most certainly did not create the world we live on, we can say that part really is what God did. You God though either lied in the bible or in the Earth. neither. it is the secularists and evolutionists who are lying. your inability to realize or see that a terrestrial field is incapable of lying or being dishonesty makes your faith in it very child-like and in error. then to claim that God lied is just pure ignorance.
My Christian life is what I believe we are called to do, to treat others as we would like to be treated. Whether or not I will be saved is of course an unknown. Salvation is by the Grace of God. follow john 3:16 then you will know you are saved and that it does not depend on your works. but i am guessing you are roman catholic by the way you write and are very mislead about salvation. yes it is by the grace of God but we also have to make a choice and that choice is found in that passage. we also do not call God a liar by allowing secular science to blind us and lead us to untruths about what He said.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: jar writes: But your position means that the god you worship is in fact a liar and a cheat where? specifics not generalized declarations. evidence please. The evidence found in reality, the earth we live on disagrees with what is claimed in the Bible (even though there is really no such thing as 'The Bible'). That means that the God you worship either faked the evidence or the story is wrong. You even admitted that the God you worship created Adam that appeared older than reality. Someone that fakes data or fudges the data is called a liar or a cheat.
archaeologist writes: jar writes: Since when we look at what the Bible says we find that it does not align with what God did no here you are insinuating and inserting secular science into what God did and that cannot be done. you need to realize that a field of study, that was not present at the time of origin, designed to look for natural answers, cannot determine what took place at creation nor declare what God did or didn't do. Too funny. Why can't it "determine what took place at creation nor declare what God did or didn't do"?
archaeologist writes: jar writes: Since we most certainly did not create the world we live on, we can say that part really is what God did. You God though either lied in the bible or in the Earth. neither. it is the secularists and evolutionists who are lying. your inability to realize or see that a terrestrial field is incapable of lying or being dishonesty makes your faith in it very child-like and in error. then to claim that God lied is just pure ignorance. Of course I don't claim that "a terrestrial field is incapable of lying or being dishonesty", I actually go and check to see what the evidence shows. I personally don't think the God I worship lied, it is the Bible, written by man that is wrong. I don't even think the folk that wrote the Bible stories lied, they were just ignorant of the facts.
archaeologist writes: jar writes: My Christian life is what I believe we are called to do, to treat others as we would like to be treated. Whether or not I will be saved is of course an unknown. Salvation is by the Grace of God. follow john 3:16 then you will know you are saved and that it does not depend on your works. but i am guessing you are roman catholic by the way you write and are very mislead about salvation. yes it is by the grace of God but we also have to make a choice and that choice is found in that passage. we also do not call God a liar by allowing secular science to blind us and lead us to untruths about what He said. I'm sorry but no one has ever been able to show how they know they are saved. Tell me after you are dead. LOL I know it's comforting to hold such belielfs but in all honesty, I cannot. Also, I never called GOD a liar, I called the God you try to market a liar. But even there I could be wrong, I can only base it on what you claim about your god. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4212 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I don't even think the folk that wrote the Bible stories lied, they were just ignorant of the facts. Carrying that one step further, the original story tellers didn't lie they too, were ignorant of the facts. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Tram law Member (Idle past 4727 days) Posts: 283 From: Weed, California, USA Joined: |
Doesn't Catholicism teach that a married couple must submit to each others wishes?
If she's Catholic, why not try to take her a Catholic marriage counselor?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Old thread is old (and has underwent significant changes). Besides that, I specifically stated that we weren't married.
Your god believes in Unicorns
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Tram law Member (Idle past 4727 days) Posts: 283 From: Weed, California, USA Joined: |
Whoops, sorry.
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