'Some still living' disproves literal truth of the bible

Now we have been over this before. This is pure repetition.The thrust of your analysis is that in Matthew 24 Jesus is talking to no one else except those few disciples who came to Him privately. Your thesis rests on a strong assumption that Jesus could not be talking to anyone else.I reject your concept. And here is one reason why I reject your concept.How does the book of Matthew close ? ? THE END
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Last saying of Jesus in Matthew's Gospel.Did you get that hERICtic ? " ...TEACHING THEM ..." (including jaywill) " ... to observe ALL that I have commanded YOU." Can you PLEASE point out the additional word which says "EXCEPT, of course, My discourse in Matthew chapter 24 !"So we believers in Jesus say "AMEN" while you scramble around looking for reason that no one except the 12 should have listened to Jesus on the Mount of Olives that day.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

So in the final analysis, it could be determined by what one considers the kingdom, or whether the kingdom has come yet, correct? Or am I on the right track?DBEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

There are many threads on here that deal with your comments. The Bible is actually quite wrong on many instances.

Submitted practically same message twice. Deleted it here.Edited by hERICtic, : No reason given.

Sigh.......Once again I ask you to answer my questions (from my previoius post) and stay on topic.We are discussing Matthew 24.Do you think you can do that?Just to rub it in that you have absolutely no idea about concept and evidence:The "them" refers to all nations.There isnt a time frame mentioned. Therefore, based just upon that scripture you have no idea what the time frame is.See how simple this is?Therefore, we have to go where there is a time frame.Back to Matthew 24.Now, are you going to actually address my previous questions or should I stop?Just let me know. Debating you is very frustrating.

It took me a while to get your question. It is rather sparse.But after consideration I think I agree with you. What relationship one has with the King and His kingdom is a very relevant consideration to this.I think you are on the right track.

I think that "sigh" is a totally inept response in this discussion to Matthew 28:20.I reject that it is off topic.
I reject that it is too much jumping around.
I reject that it is a strawman argument.
I reject that Matthew 28:20 is in any way irrelevant to the issue at hand.Now you can do whatever you want. For my part it is time for me to stop with you and see what some other posters would say.I'm through with you now.
Thanks for the discussion. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

As I thought Jay.After all this dancing around, you still would not stay on Matthew 24. The very reason is that its obvious.Hence why you kept bouncing around, pulling scripture out of context, preaching, building one strawman after another (unless you looked up the defintion, I honestly do not believe you know what one is). I asked in post 312 (in which we were discussing Matthew 24) and it took you to post 369, with myself asking 20 times what the signs are for. Instead of even addressing Matthew 24, you bounced around throughtout the Bible. Bringing up your own scripture which has nothing to do with Matthew 24, talking about your thoughts on said scripture (usually not understanding the context) and then moving unto another piece of scripture in another book.Notice everyone you debate dropped out? Notice they all all said either that you were preaching, not addressing the issue, ignoring the question or not understanding the context?Why do you think that is?Even after you finally answered my question, I asked to focus on Matthew 24 and asked one simple question with an example.In your very next post, you ignored Matthew 24, went right to Matthew 28 (where you obliterated context again) and ignored my question.You are just a rude person. Great Christian example.I did keep going though. Although I admit its frustrating, but I do get some odd kick out of it.So, you want to bow out. I dont blame you. Matthew 24 is a huge Bible blunder.You want to stop debating? No problem. If you at anytime wish to debate again (although I use that term loosely), let me know. I truly wish there was a moderator to keep things short and precise and to move this debate along. Most of these posts are pointless.If you wish to continue. Matthew 24.You let me know. If not, take care.

Anyone else want to talk with me about Matthew 24 ?Still here.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

There are several clear signs revealed in Matt 24 that will precede our Lord's coming:(1) 14 "This gospel of the kingdom (where Jesus is Lord of heaven and earth) shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come."(2) 30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory."Has the Church finished the work of preaching this gospel of the kingdom in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations?Has the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the sky?When these two things take place, the end of this Church age will end with the coming of our Lord.Are you ready for our Lord's coming?Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.

I think this gospel of the kingdom entails all of the living matters spoken of in the book of Matthew. It would entail God obtaining a poeple living in the all the kingdom aspects spoken of in chapters 5 through 8, for example.I don't believe that it means every Christian on earth is living under the administration of the King. But it should mean that a good number are as overcomers.In other words a normal prevailing church life experience in many places in the inhabited earth.We can then command Christ to come back. We can petition Him strongly according to His desire and woo Him back, even command Him to come. I take into account the commanding prayers of binding and loosing that Jesus told His disciples to pray in chapter 18.The thought here is that in the end times there would be a remnant so under His administration that thier prayers become great corporate commandings of Christ to act.In that sense, we do not know when He comes. Yet the kingdom people take a great part in when He does come.

My understanding of Scripture is that our Lord has commanded His people, the Church in the earth, to carry the gospel of the kingdom where He is Lord to the ends of the earth for a witness, and then the end of the age will come.Yes, the gospel of the kingdom means everything Jesus has said, but it starts with sinners in every nation, tribe and tongue repenting of their sins and allowing Jesus to be Lord of their lives. How shall they hear this message without a preacher being sent? (Rom 10:11-15)Any thoughts what the sign of the Son of Man will be in the sky that prededes His coming?Blessings

I agree. Don't think I mean differently from the gospel being spread.I would like to convey what I mean without misunderstanding. Perhaps the parable of the wheatt and the tares will help.In Matthew 13:24-30 which Jesus helps the disciples to understand in verses 36-43 Jesus says that the time of harvest is at the consummation of the age.This means that through the ages something is in the process of GROWTH. Before RIPENESS, before MATURITY it is not time for harvest. When the process of growth reaches a climax, then the harvest occurs.Now exactly what is growing ? Of course we could say that as the gospel is preached the NUMBERS of those being saved is growing. That would not be wrong to say that.But I think aside from the matter of numerical encrease there is the spiritual encrease of God's life growing within those who receive the gospel of the kingdom. Remember the parable of the sown word on the different kinds of soil. The seed was frustrated except on the good cultivated soil where it could bear fruit.The gospel SOWS the life of Jesus into people. The kingdom of the heavens results from the growth and maturity of that divine life in the saved.Jesus says in verse that after His angels remove the tares of the nominal and false Christians - "Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their father." (13:43)Remember now, this righteousness must be that which EXCEEDS the rigthteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. There is no hypocrisy in it. There is no religious facade or play acting. This righteousness is the growth and maturity of the kingdom life in the kingdom people.Along with the matter of numercial encrease of those hearing the gospel there is the need for the maturity of divine life in enough people to form an incentive for Christ to reap a Harvest.This is in agreement with Paul word to the church in Corinth: "I planted, Apollos watered, but God caused the GROWTH.... For we [apostles] are God's fellow workers; you are God's cultivated land [farm], God's building." (1 Cor. 3:6,9) The new testament church should be a FARM for cultivating the GROWTH of Christ within Christian UNTO maturity.God causes the GROWTH. And the consummation of the growth in a good number according to His plan will trigger the Harvest of a mature crop on the earth. I will reply in another post.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Are you refering to this passage? "And at that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Matt. 24:30) We have no way of knowing what this sign is. It must, however, be supernatural and clearly visible. Maybe the lightening has something to do with it (v.27).I take all the tribes of the land to indicate the Jewish tribes in the land of Israel who will repent and mourn according to Zechariah 12:10-14 and Rev. 1:7.Do you mean a sign predating this matter ?Before the physical approach of Christ to the surface of the ground He is concealed in a cloud, hidden above the surface of the earth. My belief is that the natural world will convulse at His presence. But all earth people will not realize why. Some will realize that this probably means Christ is coming.By that time He is already near the earth but concealed in a cloud.So I am not sure what you mean by a sign which predates His visible appearing over the Holy Land.At present I believe that in Revelation 6:12-17 about the opening of the sixth seal are general supernatural signs in the universe that the age is about to change and Christ is near. It should be about three and one half years from the opening of the sixth seal that Christ physically sets His feet on the earth in the Holy Land.Those are signs [plural] predating the SIGN of His visible descent in Matt. 24:30.Having said that, I would say this which few Christians understand. Matthew 24:29-31 talks about Christ's coming at the END of the great tribulation. Before that event Christ will have already secretly snatched away a minority, a remnant of Christians who were ... WATCHING according to His warnings.I definitely believe in Selective Rapture before the great tribulation. Then those who are alive and left remaining at the end of the great tribulation who have passed through it because they were not watching and vigilant, will be taken in rapture at the end of the three and one half year great tribulation.That is why it appears in Matthew 24 that there is a noisy bosterous return of Christ on one hand and also a secretive stealthy return on the other.Forgive me for writing more than what you asked about. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

My eschatology concerning what will happen at the end of the age is very simple.Jesus revealed in Matt 13 that the wheat & tares and the good & bad fish would grow together until the final harvest, then the unrighteousnes will be taken out for judgemnt.God's word to me is to occupy until our Lord comes (if I live that long), taking as many prisoners as I can who are enslaved in the kingdom of darkness and leading them to our Lord's kingdom of light.As for the Matt 24:30 sign in the heavens that will precede our Lord's coming, I too believe it will be supernatural and will visible for all the world to see, possibly a huge burning cross.Blessings