banning burqas

I see. So you only follow Jesus' words when they suit you, eh? Well, at least you're like every other Christian.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- PhatIt has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Countless millions have flocked to Patafarianism for the pirate costumes.

Jesus didn't tell you to be safe. He told you to be good to your enemies.

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......it just means that I liked your post.

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- xongsmith, 5.7d

They already have.

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- xongsmith, 5.7d

Hi GrannyI said my previous message would be my last on this topic. That just proves you shouldn't believe everything you read. I freely admit I am no expert on the intricate differences between some of the various Islamic forms of dress. I saw a woman the other day wearing a Burqa or similar outfit that covered everything except her eyes. Her husband (I assume he was her husband, they had children with them) walked alongside her wearing a T-shirt and jeans. I think that was the first time I've seen a Burqa type outfit in my home town, although this is a rural area with very few ethnic minorities. I've seen quite a few Burqa type outfits in London, but I admit they don't exactly swarm the place. It was because I was angry that I made the remark. It's the equivocal attitude displayed by many Muslims to various issues that I find abhorent. Anyway, I'll take your advice and try and to consider my comments more carefully in future. I don't want to ban any form of dress and I do try to take care not to get drawn into a rascist or xenophobic position. I reserve the right to despise Islam though.

That's a Niqaab.

Niqaab...Burqa...Schmurqa...Whatever.

The niqab is just the face veil - the burqa is the full body covering. And I've seen burqas in London and Leicester, but it's true they're not at all common in England.

The Burga matter is a matter of whether it is to be lawful. It's a matter of what government policy should be for the good of the people at large. Jesus advocated no violence but he was not unreasonable. When his time of crucifixion came he told them to sell a coat and buy a sword. This, of course was not to be aggressive, but for protection. As he had taught, it was not to be used to protect them from persecution. The implication was that it was to protect from robbers along the way or animals, etc. A lot of being armed is to inimidate malicious people from harming you.Three states in America have have concealed pistol rights. They have the lowest crime rate in the nation.Jesus was sensible. He and his apostles avoided needless harm. They fled harm when harm was not needful for their mission of preaching the gospel of salvation to the spiritually lost ones to whom they were ministering.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You don't see what is happening though? You are happily trading liberty for security. Sure, a crazed Muslim could hide explosives in a burqa, bet then again, they could also hide explosives in a backpack too.They might also be concealing their identity under the burqa, but they could achieve the same thing by wearing an assortment of masks, none of which is illegal.You are left with the only other option, which is to ban Muslims. And that's the real goal, isn't it?I abhor Wahabbi Islam just as much as you, but these dangerous precedents threaten liberty and actually creates more fanatics. They want to be martyred so they can feel justified in hated the West. Why give them a reason? If we go down this path, we inadvertantly create more enemies.

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

Actually, YHWH has prescribed violence of the worst kind, even smashing innocent babies on to rocks.It's almost like the OT and the NT worship two entirely different gods. Well, in all fairness, in John chapter 2 he did whip people out of the temple and set free the moneychangers property in the form of doves, cattle, etc, that were sold as sacrifices, prescribed by Mosaic law. He also instructed his followers to sell possessions to buy a sword in Luke 22.Those who live buy the sword, die by buy the sword?(pun intended)

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

When you despise some thing, it's easy to be "drawn into" despising the people that that thing represents. It's all too easy to become a jihadist like Buzsaw.Edited by ringo, : Fixed clumsy wording.

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It's a bit tangential, but this doesn't seem to be at all true. 48 states allow people to carry firearms concealed. I thought maybe you might have meant three allow you to carry pistols concealed without a permit, but I can only find two - Alaska and Vermont.I'm not sure how exactly you're supposed to count 'crime rate', as it's a difficult one. Do you treat every incident of crime as equal, regardless of its nature? I found on the US Census website a ranking of states by violent crimes per population. Whilst Vermont does get in there with the third lowest violent crime rate, Alaska is sixth highest. New York, which I understand has some of the strictest laws on firearms, is middling in the table, with the 22nd highest violent crime rate.

Definitely a tangent but:Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine