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Percy
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Message 4576 of 5796 (870960)
01-26-2020 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 4565 by Faith
01-26-2020 4:58 PM


Faith writes:
I make the mistake of thinking you all hear the same information I hear,...
Then you have a serious reading comprehension problem, because in almost every reply to you I state that your claims are completely baseless. I often almost beg you to support what you say with facts and/or reasoned argumentation.
...but of course all you get is the fake news...
This is a false claim you have repeated so many times that it rises to the level of a lie. Once again, here are the front pages of The New York Times and The Washington Post. Please point out the fake news. You won't be able to do that, of course, because your statement is false and has been for years.
...that extols the leftists and ignores or vilifies those on the right, and i'm not good at keeping track, too bad.
You're not only no good at keeping track of anything, you're also no good at telling truth from fiction. They say that confidence in one's knowledge increases the less one knows, which would explain your extreme confidence.
Ben Shapiro called Schiff "seriously dishonest human being" or something like that. Can't even remember the adjective.
And you mention this why?
Well, obviously I'm not the person to represent my point of view here...
No no no, that's not true. You're are absolutely the best person to represent your point of view, one that is widely shared among Trumpists. You're just terrible at defending your views. You're only capable of repeating your opinions in baseless and unevidenced form over and over again.
You'll never hear any of this if I don't post.
Are you kidding? There's a couple hundred people in Congress alone echoing views very much like yours. With about equal evidentiary support.
But maybe that's all right.
Whether or not it's all right, it is most certainly untrue.
You'll all just remain in your own little fantasy bubble.
Another baseless and unsupported declaration.
Oh sometimes Marc comes along and tells you the truth about these things. I'm glad of that.
If you're the person who never met a claim she could support, then Marc is the person who never met a discussion he could keep straight.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4577 of 5796 (870961)
01-26-2020 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4572 by Faith
01-26-2020 6:47 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
Of course you assume it's all true, as I said.
What are you referring to when you say I assume it is all true? Is it too much trouble to ask you to use the quote facility?
Are you referring to where I asked what negative news you're talking about? Whether it was the news about Trump paying off mistresses to keep quiet while he was running for office? About attacking a federal judge who ruled against him because he was Hispanic? About the Access Hollywood tape where he bragged of grabbing women by the pussy? About the cheating at his charity? The Trump University fraud? The lying about millions of people voting illegally in 2016? The refusal to put his businesses in a blind trust? Cutting Social Security and Medicare? Lying about releasing his tax returns? Cutting EPA regulations protecting our environment? Withholding federal funds from sanctuary cities? Threatening Mexico about paying for his wall? Banning Muslims from a bunch of countries? Threatening separation of church and state?
Is that what you're referring to? I sure hope not, because if you think all that stuff is false then you are seriously delusional. We can go through it one by one if you like. A lot of it is on video, which I know you like.
And of course you never heard it, that's the sort of news you guys just don't get because the Left ignores it.
You quoted nothing I said and you're using pronouns, so I have to guess what you're talking about. I read Fox News, among other sources. Are you saying Fox News ignores whatever it is you're talking about?
No sense of perspective at all, no sense of how words are twisted in every headline to turn whatever facts are involved against Trump, and that isn't even about what's in the stories.
Are you going to offer any evidence of this? Here, once again, are links to the front pages of The New York Times and The Washington Post. Please provide some examples.
Did you read your own link? You claimed 90-95% of media coverage of Trump is negative, but your link says 66%. You disproved your own claim.
Here's another headline on the subject. I read some of the first link, but nothing of this one, I'm posting it because of the headline.
Media Trump Hatred Shows In 92% Negative Coverage Of His Presidency: Study
Use of the term "hatred" in the headline indicates a bit of bias, wouldn't you say? Kind of reminds me of you. The research was conducted by the Media Research Center, described by Media Research Center - Wikipedia like this:
quote:
The Media Research Center (MRC) is an American politically conservative content analysis group based in Reston, Virginia, founded in 1987 by L. Brent Bozell III. It characterizes itself as a media watchdog, but Politico considers it an anti-mainstream advocacy group and the Columbia Journalism Review considers it "propaganda clothed as critique".
So trust the Pew study, ignore the MRC study.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4578 of 5796 (870963)
01-26-2020 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4271 by NosyNed
01-15-2020 1:33 PM


Re: Y
Somehow missed your reply when you first posted it.
I haven't driven or ridden in any Tesla yet. A friend and his wife both have the performance version of the Model 3 and they like them a lot. I did get a demo of the sound system, very impressive, puts my Prius to shame. Another friend is also considering the Tesla, and I'm piggybacking on the research he's doing.
I assumed my Prius would be bad in snow, and even though it'll be 3 years old in April I had never driven it in any significant snow before last weekend. It was a very slippery snow, tough just to keep your footing in while walking, and we saw a couple fender benders on the way back from a hockey game. The Prius handled very well, I was surprised. Our house is up a couple steep hills and I was afraid it just wouldn't do it and we'd have to walk in, but though the anti-spin had to kick in a few times it mostly went right up.
Yeah, there's something about 0-60 in 3.2 that awakens the teenager in me.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4579 of 5796 (870964)
01-26-2020 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 4273 by Theodoric
01-15-2020 2:41 PM


Re: Two Questions
Theodoric writes:
When range gets better and the percentage hit on the mileage is not as great we may consider electric.
When climate change really kicks in they'll be saying that Wisconsin is the new Florida.
--Percy

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Message 4580 of 5796 (870965)
01-26-2020 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4295 by dwise1
01-16-2020 9:08 PM


Re: Two Questions
I missed some posts around this time, just noticed this one. Thanks for letting me know. I'll be investigating this sometime soon.
I don't understand why the current solution isn't working. It's a client side approach. Unless I discover that that approach is actually good conceptually but just has a bug a or two, I'll have to switch to a server side solution.
I implemented my original fix for double posting a long while back, but quickly discovered it didn't always work. When I fixed it a couple months ago I did some research and discovered that my original approach should have worked. I had basically done it the same way everyone else did. But I added a couple fail safes and figured that would do it, but apparently they don't work either. I'm curious what I'll find out.
--Percy

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JonF
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Message 4581 of 5796 (870966)
01-26-2020 9:54 PM


Every day more comes out. Every day.
Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
quote:
Former national security adviser John Bolton revealed in his manuscript that President Donald Trump told him as early as August 2019 that he wanted to continue freezing the military and security assistance to Ukraine until they could get officials to go after the Biden family.
New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman Michael Schmidt reported Sunday that the $391 million in aid to Ukraine was contingent on Ukraine officials agreeing to help with investigations into Democrats including the Bidens.
Yet to be confirmed, of course, but the reports on Ukraine do keep getting confirmed.
ABE Of course. Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
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Message 4582 of 5796 (870967)
01-26-2020 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 4566 by marc9000
01-26-2020 5:05 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
This place represents 15, maybe 20% of political beliefs in the U.S., no more.
On impeachment, you're way off.
Fox News Poll: Record economy ratings, as half say Senate should remove Trump | Fox News
quote:
On impeachment, by a 50-44 percent margin, voters think the Senate should vote to convict Trump and remove him from office. Most Democrats say remove (81 percent) and most Republicans disagree (84 percent). Among independents, more say Trump should be removed by a 19-point margin (53-34 percent).
Fox is fake news, of course.

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Message 4583 of 5796 (870968)
01-27-2020 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 4581 by JonF
01-26-2020 9:54 PM


Re: Every day more comes out. Every day.
It isn't bribery and if there's any quid pro quo involved it's entirely within normal practice, though it's not clear yet that there was any quid pro quo at all since Ukraine promised nothing and still got the aid.
Anyway if there was any corruption involved in the Bibden situation it was quite right of Trump to ask for it to be investigated and since Biden was NOT a political opponent the idea that Trump's motive was personal is totally bogus. He's SUPPOSED to be sure corruption gets investigated especially if aid is to be given.

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Message 4584 of 5796 (870969)
01-27-2020 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 4582 by JonF
01-26-2020 10:44 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
I'm sure that many do think Trump xshould be removed from office because they are deceived by the bogus claims of the impeachment machine. All ignorance, people just believing the rhetoric of know-nothings all out of sheer hatred of Trump for his political views. Sad day in America when this sort of fraud on the American people can prevail.

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Faith 
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Message 4585 of 5796 (870970)
01-27-2020 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 4577 by Percy
01-26-2020 8:13 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Even the Pew Research said there was only 5% positive coverage.
In my personal experience I just about NEVER see anything positive about Trump anywhere unless I specifically go to a conservative website.
AND it might be noted, just the idea that there is anything positive or negative about a report that calls itself "news" says a lot about the deterioration of journalism which at one time proudly aimed for completely objective reporting and took pains to eliminate even the whiff of bias in its headlines and stories. Mark Levinn's book "Unfreedom of the Press" reports on the history of how this perspective was lost and gave way to opinion masquerading as news.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 4586 of 5796 (870979)
01-27-2020 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 4538 by Faith
01-25-2020 2:17 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
Well, Kasraie has been given credence by many of my sources but I'll happily enough take credit for my trust in her if you like. She's just a very credible person.
You're in effect vouching for a person you just met on the street. And your inability to distinguish between truth and fiction, to tie the little facts of reality into a narrative of truth, says you're unqualified to vouch for anyone.
The report of how many were stationed at our air bases was on the news reports on my favorite radio stations, and the conservative talk hosts said they were warned and took cover in tunnels, or at least that was the case on one air base.
There are only 5000 US troops total in Iraq. It isn't possible that all our troops in Iraq were concentrated in just these two airbases. You're making it up, you misheard, or they're making it up. I've been repeatedly correct in my claims of what would eventually be revealed about these attacks. First I was right that the claim there were no casualties was a lie. Then I was right that it was more than just eleven. Then I was right that the injuries were more severe than being claimed by Trump.
You, on the other hand, have been repeatedly wrong. The evidence says you should stop trusting your judgment and start trusting mine.
If you don't know these things it's because you listen to the wrong sources.
By not listening to your sources (which you don't reveal) I escaped being fed false information.
There were thousands of them,...
You're repeating something untrue. Repetition of something untrue after being repeatedly informed it is untrue and why it is untrue elevates it to a lie. Please stop lying.
...and very few were injured so I suppose those were the few that didn't take cover for whatever reason. But I don't know, just have to guess.
Yes, you're guessing. Poking around on the Internet I found that it only takes a couple hundred people to actually run each airbase. Those likely would be American troops. The rest, possibly thousands, were Iraqi troops responsible for providing airbase defense. They were flown out as reports of the incoming missiles became known.defense. (See Operation Martyr Soleimani - Wikipedia)
I do know that thousands were not hurt who could have been had they not been able to find cover.
Read the Wikipedia article and learn what actually happened.
Although some were advising Trump against the action, there had to be more advising him to do it.
And you know this how? From actual reportage, or from listening to your favorite right-wing commentators? The latter, right?
Perhaps fake news simply chose not to cover that way-too-positive piece of information. Only the news that disparages Trump. That's their motto.
Again, you have to skill or intuition at detecting falsehood. When challenged you have repeatedly been unable to cite any fake news.
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 4587 of 5796 (870980)
01-27-2020 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 4443 by Faith
01-23-2020 1:41 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
I describe myself as a Puerto Rico watcher and of the US colonies in general, which suggests I do a lot of reading and following of whatever information is available for those places.
Does that mean you will give credibility for anything I have to say about Puerto Rico? I guarantee I am well informed on the subject. So if I start a thread on Puerto Rico and other US colonies you will support whatever I say?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 4588 of 5796 (870981)
01-27-2020 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 4452 by Faith
01-23-2020 2:15 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Why NOT assassinate him now?
How christian of you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 4589 of 5796 (870982)
01-27-2020 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 4402 by Faith
01-22-2020 10:32 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
History shows that Terrorism is endemic to Christianity.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Percy
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Message 4590 of 5796 (870983)
01-27-2020 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 4582 by JonF
01-26-2020 10:44 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
JonF writes:
Fox is fake news, of course.
But isn't Fox News fairly reliable as a news outlet? Rather thin and cursory in their coverage, but honest and truthful? If we call Fox News fake aren't we guilty of the same kind of misrepresentations as the Trumpists?
On the other hand it is more than fair to say that the analysis/opinion part of Fox News is just a propaganda arm for the Trump Administration.
--Percy

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