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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
They may not support abortion, but the abortion issue isn't front and center in importance to them as it is for many evangelical christians. Suppose a candidate running for president supported abortion on demand but was in full support of the welfare system for the poor. Suppose that his opponent was strongly against abortion in all cases and had a good track record in that regard, but he supported severely cutting back on food stamps and housing programs for the poor and other similar measures. I can assure you that the jesuits at fordham college would vote for the first candidate in a heartbeat.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2 |
I think that may be more of a commentary on the problems inherent with a "winner take all" two-party representative political system like what exists in the United States than a clear picture of whether Fordham Jesuits are "conservative" or "liberal."
The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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If some one is strongly opposed to abortion, don't they have the capability to just not get an abortion?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2316 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined:
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1.61803 writes:
Technically, I'd say yes. You see, if you're against marriage in general, you're also against gay marriage. You want everybody to have the same rights, you just think marriage should not be one of those rights.
Yes it is, but is it possible to believe that American's of all races, religions and sexual orientation should be afforded equal civil rights under the law, and be against gay marriage?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1525 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
It is kind of funny in a way. Marriage is traditionally a conservative concept. You would think it is MORE conservative to support marriage. I contend the more conservative stance is one that supports gay marriage.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Yes, but the more conservative one is, the more important the issue of abortion is to them over other issues. In the end, to the liberal jesuits at fordham, the issue of abortion is a backburner issue and very low wattage one at that compared to other issues that are flamethrowers for them like the welfare state.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Yes, but the more conservative one is, the more important the issue of abortion is to them over other issues. In the end, to the liberal jesuits at fordham, the issue of abortion is a backburner issue and very low wattage one at that compared to other issues that are flamethrowers for them like the welfare state. The irony is that conservatives are against abortion, and yet they villify single women who have children while on welfare.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Not really. Abortion has NOTHING to do with Conservative. It is completely a restricted religious issue. What's so funny is the same religious groups that worked to decriminalize abortion in the US are the same ones that are trying to criminalize it today.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Taq writes:
I think they are proposing a different solution to avoiding child-birth though - i.e. contraception or celibacy. The irony is that conservatives are against abortion, and yet they villify single women who have children while on welfare.I am sure there must be better examples of irony in their policies. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Perhaps what you say is true. But if so, then we're going to have to put most of the people who say abortion is at the top of the list way out on the extreme right. Almost nobody listed abortion as even the top social issue of concern in polls conducted this election.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Perhaps what you say is true. But if so, then we're going to have to put most of the people who say abortion is at the top of the list way out on the extreme right. Almost nobody listed abortion as even the top social issue of concern in polls conducted this election.
Even among conservative politicians it is not at the top of concerns. If Republicans controlled both chambers and the White House do you really think that they would try to push a bill through that outlaws all abortions? That would be political suicide, and they know it. They are never going to do that. However, that doesn't stop them from campaigning as Pro-Life.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 633 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, it comes to the Jesuits, I can assure you none of them would EVER qualify for having to make that choice for themself.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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They may not support abortion, but the abortion issue isn't front and center in importance to them as it is for many evangelical christians.
Lets add a class on Catholicism to the list.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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In the end, to the liberal jesuits at fordham, the issue of abortion is a backburner issue and very low wattage one at that compared to other issues that are flamethrowers for them like the welfare state. But alas this is just more crap you are spewing as we all know you have no idea what the Jesuits in general or the Jesuits at Fordham are concerned about. How about presenting some writings or speeches or anything the Jesuits at Fordham have said about these issues.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
All I can tell you is that the majority of catholics I have run into more often than not disagree with me on a majority of issues that are of either a political or social nature. I admit to not being extremely educated on Jesuits, but like Catholics in general, and more severely than run of the mill Catholics, I find them to disagree with me politcally and socially.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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