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onifre
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Message 61 of 75 (707450)
09-27-2013 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Straggler
09-27-2013 11:56 AM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Why do you think the US election gets so much media coverage around the world?
Because our elections matter globally. The US runs the world. What would be the point of any American getting involved in the politics of Germany?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 62 of 75 (707451)
09-27-2013 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by New Cat's Eye
09-27-2013 11:57 AM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Same here. Especially when I already live in a blue state and I usually support (reluctantly) the blue candidates.
I would however vote if there was a third and/or fouth party that could actually have a chance. But since it's either blue or red, it doesn't really matter much to me. They both stink.
- Oni

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jar
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Message 63 of 75 (707453)
09-27-2013 12:10 PM
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09-27-2013 11:56 AM


Re: Oh Yeah?
No idea. Most likely to fill space between advertisements.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 64 of 75 (707454)
09-27-2013 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Straggler
09-27-2013 11:18 AM


Re: Why we follow elections
Straggler writes:
But it does surprise me a bit when the reaction to a political event somewhere as significant as Germany is treated as just an inconsequential irrelevance by most of the rest of the world.
I think people would take notice if the words "Germany" and "invasion" appeared in the same headline.
Straggler writes:
The rest of the world takes a pretty keen interest in US elections for example.
That's because the words "U.S." and "invasion" usually do appear in the same headlines.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 65 of 75 (707455)
09-27-2013 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by onifre
09-27-2013 12:04 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Same here. Especially when I already live in a blue state and I usually support (reluctantly) the blue candidates.
Yeah, my vote literally does not matter.
I would however vote if there was a third and/or fouth party that could actually have a chance.
Me too, unfortunately they don't have a chance.
But since it's either blue or red, it doesn't really matter much to me. They both stink.
If I found a candidate that I really liked, I would go and vote for them.
Or if I found a candidate that I really hated, then I would go and vote against them.
But so far its all been "meh".

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Straggler
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Message 66 of 75 (707466)
09-27-2013 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by onifre
09-27-2013 11:59 AM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Oni writes:
Because our elections matter globally.
OK. But that suggests that Germany as the policy maker for the Euro, lead country in the largest trading bloc in the world and the 4th largest economy doesn't matter globally.
If that's the reason for disinterest then I think it underestimates Germany's world economic influence and overstates the US's as the be-all-and-end-all.
Germany matters in global economic terms.

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Straggler
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Message 67 of 75 (707468)
09-27-2013 1:00 PM
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09-27-2013 12:10 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Cute.
Sometimes I wonder why you bother to post at all...

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ringo
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Message 68 of 75 (707469)
09-27-2013 1:06 PM
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09-27-2013 1:00 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Straggler writes:
Sometimes I wonder why you bother to post at all...
It must be nice to be young and full of wonder... wonder why people post, wonder if Botswana will invade Peru....

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onifre
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Message 69 of 75 (707474)
09-27-2013 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Straggler
09-27-2013 12:59 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
But that suggests that Germany as the policy maker for the Euro, lead country in the largest trading bloc in the world and the 4th largest economy doesn't matter globally.
I'm sure it matters in a financial aspect that really only interests rich people invested in the global economy. And yes that does eventually trickle down to affect the middle class, but it is so far removed that it is of no importance.
If that's the reason for disinterest then I think it underestimates Germany's world economic influence and overstates the US's as the be-all-and-end-all.
We are, but only because of our imposing military which has a base in damn near every corner of the world.
Germany matters in global economic terms.
But that s not something the average working class individual cares about.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 70 of 75 (707476)
09-27-2013 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by ringo
09-27-2013 1:06 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Well thansk for calling me young...

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Straggler
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Message 71 of 75 (707477)
09-27-2013 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by onifre
09-27-2013 1:25 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
The reason the rest of the world takes note of US elections is not just for military reasons. It's economic too.
Whether the US embarks on raging austerity or fiscal stimulus matters to the world economy and (eventually and I admit rather abstractly) people's lives.
In terms of elections (because China doesn't have them) Germany is arguably the next most significant player in that respect.

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onifre
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Message 72 of 75 (707478)
09-27-2013 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Straggler
09-27-2013 1:34 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
The reason the rest of the world takes note of US elections is not just for military reasons. It's economic too.
You think the average working stiff in... Finland for example, cares about the US economy, or about what the US is doing around the world? Where do YOU think their actual focus is on?
In terms of elections (because China doesn't have them) Germany is arguably the next most significant player in that respect.
When in the history of Germany did the world pay attention to what was going on in Germany? Now, that they are the "most significant player in that respect" or during WWII when they were causing wars around Europe?
- Oni

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Straggler
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Message 73 of 75 (707482)
09-27-2013 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by onifre
09-27-2013 1:40 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
In Finland I have no doubt that US election news is given a high profile. I'd be willing to bet the German election got a reasonable shout in their media too.
Apart from anything else Scandanavians tend to be rather less parochial than Americans (or Brits) in their interests.
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get many Svandanavian "stiffs" proclaiming that any election in which they don't vote is completely irrelevant. Whilst that point of view seems to be rather widespread amongst North American EvC members.
Oni writes:
When in the history of Germany did the world pay attention to what was going on in Germany? Now, that they are the "most significant player in that respect" or during WWII when they were causing wars around Europe?
Are you suggesting that the reason the rest of the world takes such an interest in American elections is purely dowjn to US war mongering?

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onifre
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Message 74 of 75 (707484)
09-27-2013 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Straggler
09-27-2013 1:50 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Are you suggesting that the reason the rest of the world takes such an interest in American elections is purely dowjn to US war mongering?
I'm saying countries that make loud noises get the attention of the world. The US involvement, in a military fashion, across most continents does bring us into the public eye more so than if we ONLY had a global economical impact.
Germany was such a case during WWII. As you can see from here, not just from Americans but from Canadians and 'others', not so much anymore when their contribution is solely economical.
When it comes to economics, people tend to care more about local issues than global ones.
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get many Svandanavian "stiffs" proclaiming that any election in which they don't vote is completely irrelevant.
We have no way of knowing that.
Whilst that point of view seems to be rather widespread amongst North American EvC members.
Germany is irrelevant to our daily lives. For example, we here would care about election in Venezuela when Hugo was in power. And look how much attention the little island of Cuba received. Loud noises = media attention.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 75 of 75 (707977)
10-03-2013 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by onifre
09-27-2013 1:57 PM


Re: Oh Yeah?
Oni writes:
When it comes to economics, people tend to care more about local issues than global ones.
The US 'Fiscal Cliff' and it's potential impact has been headline news for days here (and on the French and Spanish news channels that my wife watches too)
I think you underestimate just how prominent news on global economic issues is. With regard to the German election - The coverage here was almost entirely in the context of German economic infleunce, the Euro etc.

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