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dronestar
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Message 2431 of 5179 (725678)
04-30-2014 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2430 by ringo
04-30-2014 11:58 AM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
RINGO: (Identification: toddler. Nope, ain't gonna shoot that.)
GUN ADVOCATE: Hell, smart guns is just another attempt by pansy-liberals to limit my rights. If I saw a toddler coming at me, all drool-like, and erratic walking, it's in my god-given rights to protect myself and family. So, I ain't gonna let no "smart gun" prevent me from emptying my ENTIRE clip into that diapered-terrorist.
(BTW Ringo, I liked your Sharon Stone avatar better than your current gun-popping Connery avatar)

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Jon
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Message 2432 of 5179 (725713)
04-30-2014 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2428 by Dr Adequate
04-29-2014 8:29 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
Folks are right to be leery.
quote:
"‘Smart’ Firearm Draws Wrath of the Gun Lobby" from The New York Times:
Second Amendment defenders argue that once guns with high-tech safety features go on sale, government mandates will follow. They cite a decade-old New Jersey law requiring that within three years of the recognition technology’s becoming available in the United States, all guns sold in the state would have to be smart.
quote:
"‘Smart’ Firearm Draws Wrath of the Gun Lobby" from The New York Times:
The National Rifle Association, in an article published on the blog of its political arm, wrote that smart guns, a term it mocks as a misnomer, have the potential to mesh with the anti-gunner’s agenda, opening the door to a ban on all guns that do not possess the government-required technology.
Call them 'gun nutters' if you'd like, but the concerns are genuine and valid. Don't let the (entirely inappropriate) comments of the few cloud your perception of the majority of gun-rights individuals.
There is good reason to be wary of guns that can be armed and disarmed via a radio-controlled computer chip.
Jon

Love your enemies!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 2433 of 5179 (725714)
05-01-2014 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Jon
04-30-2014 10:33 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
Yeah, like every other sensible measure to save a few innocent people from getting shot, it's the thin end of the wedge that forms the tip of the iceberg, and the next thing that'll happen is that all the True Americans will be gassed in totally real non-imaginary FEMA camps. This can only be averted by constant vigilance and carefully targeted death threats.

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NoNukes
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Message 2434 of 5179 (725728)
05-01-2014 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Jon
04-30-2014 10:33 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
There is good reason to be wary of guns that can be armed and disarmed via a radio-controlled computer chip.
Couldn't you just wrap your gun in tin foil? Or are we saving that to make hats?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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AZPaul3
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Message 2435 of 5179 (725734)
05-01-2014 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Jon
04-30-2014 10:33 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
Yah, what's up with them un-american liberals? Every time a new technology comes out they're always looking for government mandated ways to use it to save peoples lives! Remember the scourge of seat belts? Societies and governments are not here to protect the people! There oughta be a law.
Edited by AZPaul3, : cuz

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Theodoric
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Message 2436 of 5179 (725746)
05-01-2014 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Jon
04-30-2014 10:33 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
All you have to say is
There is good reason to be wary of guns.
There is no reason for the rest of the sentence.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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NoNukes
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Message 2437 of 5179 (725752)
05-01-2014 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2428 by Dr Adequate
04-29-2014 8:29 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
The CEO has been receiving death threats and pressure has forced gun shows to stop selling it.
Here is what an NRA spokes person says about the reaction to Armatix's smart gun.
Mr. Keane said the industry did not oppose developing the technology. But, he added, No. 1, the technology is not ready. No. 2, we believe the market ought to work. Of the Armatix episode in California, he said, They tried to put the product on the market, and the market reacted.
When gun nuts react to market forces... duck and cover!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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ringo
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Message 2438 of 5179 (725754)
05-01-2014 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Jon
04-30-2014 10:33 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
Jon writes:
Call them 'gun nutters' if you'd like....
I would like that very much, thank you.
What kind of nut wraps his guns in the Constitution and then denies me the right to the gun that I want? - one that my child can't use to shoot his classmates and my wife can't use to shoot me and my aging mother doesn't confuse with a cigarette lighter.
And what kind of nut says his position is valid?

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onifre
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Message 2439 of 5179 (725840)
05-02-2014 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Jon
04-30-2014 10:33 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
There is good reason to be wary of guns that can be armed and disarmed via a radio-controlled computer chip.
You think they can't already do that? All guns can currently be controlled by radio signals.
- Oni

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AZPaul3
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Message 2440 of 5179 (725868)
05-02-2014 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2439 by onifre
05-02-2014 9:33 AM


EM got yer gun or Full Metal Frequency.
Do people still really think HAARP is a weather research facility?
Oh, that's a good one.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 2441 of 5179 (727130)
05-15-2014 3:17 PM


Responsible Gun Owner News, Part 200,000,016
Safety tip. Don't ask people to shoot you.

Dr Adequate
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Message 2442 of 5179 (729375)
06-10-2014 1:51 PM



New Cat's Eye
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Message 2443 of 5179 (729376)
06-10-2014 1:59 PM


Defensive Gun Use Catalog
Here's a link for people who are not anti-gun:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu
quote:
Defensive Gun Use (DGU)
A subreddit dedicated to cataloging incidents in the United States where legally-owned guns are used by civilians to deter or stop violent crime.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 2444 of 5179 (729377)
06-10-2014 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2443 by New Cat's Eye
06-10-2014 1:59 PM


Re: Defensive Gun Use Catalog
Yeah, it's not particularly inspiring. Top of the list: Man shot after he 'threatened to shoot everyone' during argument at Cleveland Avenue skate park. Hooray, the good guns will defend us from the bad guns! Thank heaven everyone had guns. Wait, wouldn't it have turned out better if no-one had guns? Next up, Homeowner shot, killed exchanging gunfire with would-be burglar ... OK, the good guns won't always defend us from the bad guns. Who's next? Ah yes, Police: Fatal shooting may be self-defense. Let us know. And then, of course, we have Shooters in Metro ambush that left five dead spoke of white supremacy and a desire to kill police. Er, that doesn't sound good. And in what sense is it a story about "Defensive Gun Use"? The killers shot themselves. Perhaps they did it defensively, eh? Well, thank goodness they had guns, or the whole thing might have turned nasty.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 2445 of 5179 (729378)
06-10-2014 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2444 by Dr Adequate
06-10-2014 2:42 PM


Re: Defensive Gun Use Catalog
There's pages and pages and pages of links there. Many are labeled as to what they are, including Bad DGU and Bad form. The vast majority of them are positive.
The links are user-submitted. The order in which they are listed constantly changes due to upvotes, downvotes, and age, so there's no reason to list any of the order of the links here. Anytime in the future when someone clicks on the link, the order will not be as you listed it. In a day or so, it won't even be the same links near the top.
Nothing stops people from submitting links, so there could be ones there that don't have anything to do with DGU. They might be moderated out in some time, or otherwise they will eventually be downvoted out of sight.

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