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onifre Member (Idle past 2950 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I believe that the energy stored in the food we eat has a direct effect on the amount of energy we can expend in activity without getting tired. Ok, so you agree that there is a correlation with food and being active. For example, someone who has a greasy burger for lunch is going to have less energy than someone who has a lean meat and vegetables. There isn't actual "energy" in food, but I think I get what you're saying.
But a person that receives enough food to power the body for a day's work and will not preform the work is lazy. "Amount" of food is really not the issue. It's what kind of food that's the issue. Here again, someone can eat two Whoppers from Burger King and have a sufficient "amount" of food, but it's of very poor quality with very little nutritional value. As opposed to someone who has for example a single protein shake and a banana. This person will have much more energy than the Whopper eater could ever have. So what can be perceived as laziness could just be very poor quality eating habits that reduce the amout of work the body is potentially capable of.
A person that is not willing to work to provide food for himself/herself for their family is lazy. A person that would rather sit around and watch TV and let someone else supply the food for their family is lazy. But I don't think this happens without some kind of casual agent. It could be someone who is suffering from depression, or bipolar, or simply is eating poor quality food usually associated with low income people, or even diabetic, or some other condition that has reduced the amount of energy the person has. I'll grant you, there are people who just don't want to have a job - I'm one of them. But there are also people who simply don't have the energy to function at a high enough capacity. So I think the food we eat: the type of food we eat, the quality of the food we eat, and of course exercising and being physical, are all related to one's ability to work. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given. Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
"Amount" of food is really not the issue. It's what kind of food that's the issue. Here again, someone can eat two Whoppers from Burger King and have a sufficient "amount" of food, but it's of very poor quality with very little nutritional value. As opposed to someone who has for example a single protein shake and a banana. This person will have much more energy than the Whopper eater could ever have. So what can be perceived as laziness could just be very poor quality eating habits that reduce the amout of work the body is potentially capable of.
I think there is a more important point here. Is our perception of "energy" a measure of the actual metabolic state in our muscles? Or is it a mental state produced by serotonin or other neurochemicals?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2950 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Both...
Or is it a mental state produced by serotonin or other neurochemicals? This is the result of exercising, which boosts the mood enhancing chemicals in your body.
Is our perception of "energy" a measure of the actual metabolic state in our muscles? Your digestive system has to break down the food, obviously. So when you have sugary snacks, lots of fat, or refined carbs your body digests it quickly - which is why sometimes after eating a greasy meal you have to shit immediately. You have quick energy, but then you crash and become very tired. This can then be viewed as laziness, but basically what the person is experiencing is a loss of energy due to the food they ate. But, when you have high fibers such as wheat bread or brown rice, or beans which are complex carbs, or lean proteins, it takes way longer for your body to digest and gives you lasting energy. Then, you have enough energy to get to the gym and workout, thus enhancing your mood, thus making you less depressed, etc, etc, etc... - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Your digestive system has to break down the food, obviously. So when you have sugary snacks, lots of fat, or refined carbs your body digests it quickly - which is why sometimes after eating a greasy meal you have to shit immediately. You have quick energy, but then you crash and become very tired. This can then be viewed as laziness, but basically what the person is experiencing is a loss of energy due to the food they ate. But, when you have high fibers such as wheat bread or brown rice, or beans which are complex carbs, or lean proteins, it takes way longer for your body to digest and gives you lasting energy. Then, you have enough energy to get to the gym and workout, thus enhancing your mood, thus making you less depressed, etc, etc, etc... - Oni Everything I have read indicates that this is a very pervasive myth.
quote: This makes a lot more sense from what learned in school and learned since. Blood sugar is highly regulated in the blood stream. If anything, exercise reduces insulin production and actually boosts glucose levels. Slow release of glucose into the blood stream doesn't make any difference.
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WarriorArchangel Member (Idle past 4003 days) Posts: 14 From: Lynn MA US Joined: |
Illegal aliens......
Blacks and browns on the dole.... Entitlements....all minorities...... My mission is to expound on our Father of Christ Jesus.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3819 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
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Claire Blanche health care for everyone paid by a government whocollects the money to pay for it is equivalent to what Egypt did when the Pharaohs build Pyramids that guarnteed immortality.
We now have growing communities of brain death Althemizer patients and people on a life support course of medical care that replaces body parts and hearts with future promises that we can alllive practically forever. The medical arts are extending their abilities in parallel with the willingness of the government to pay for the sevices which will accomplish these goals. That to some extent this is desirable, no line has been drawn in regard to where this ought stop, while the Health Care Sectoris already 20% of the economy, at least as high as in ancient Egypt.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
I am Canadian, so I know jack-all about this.
I do have some family in the states.They are an average family, of average means. From what I've heard, new healthcare laws have raised their costs, and lowered their coverage.I've heard that it's a horrible flop, causing nothing but issues and it's ruining everyone's shit. (Well, not rich people...) It's been out for a while now, hasn't it? Is it time to discuss whether or not it's been good or bad?Or is there still a call to "let more time pass" to see what happens? I thought it was a good idea, and a good first step in the right direction.Now I just sort of think it was the same old tired political story to push ahead some other agenda and screw all the people who get affected. Does anyone have any positive anecdotes about it? Any comments on these sorts of allegations?
Obama deal to bail out insurance companies if new heath care doesn't make them money 80% of doctors may quit because of Obamacare Is there any good news about it at all? Is it a complete catastrophe? I heard the plan was somewhat based on being supported by the younger generation signing up.But... that younger generation has said "fuck you" because it's a horrible plan that costs way too much money. So, without the younger generation bearing their load of the costs... the whole thing is in jeopardy anyway? Edited by Stile, : Forgot to add the last paragraph. Doctor said it's nothing and I don't need to worry about it, some brains are just more forgetful than others.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Does anyone have any positive anecdotes about it? Nonreligious Questions
quote: Obama deal to bail out insurance companies if new heath care doesn't make them money There is provision to mitigate losses to them caused by increased cost to them. Not ideal, but that's capitalism for you. First of all - there will be fund set up (paid for not by the government, but by a fee on insurance premiums. It is a reinsurance scheme, and it entirely common. This fund will contribute costs towards particularly expensive medical bills over $45k dollars. It helps prevent the insurance companies from going bankrupt in the face of large unexpected expenses. The second provision, the 'ESTABLISHMENT OF RISK CORRIDORS FOR PLANS IN INDIVIDUAL AND SMALL GROUP MARKETS;' is kind of difficult to understand. As far as I can tell, after reinsurances and the like, if an insurance company pays more in benefits than they take in premiums they get a payout (and if they don't they pay a fine). The idea here is, I think, to provide confidence to the market that the insurance companies will have a readjustment period so unexpected consequences of ACA won't cause chaos. After a few years, they should have figured out their new costs and the scheme ends.
80% of doctors may quit because of Obamacare Wow, really? A study performed by a group dedicated to repealing Obamacare as reported by a Fox News author found some frightening conclusion about Obamacare. It must be true then Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
80% of doctors may quit because of Obamacare
Complete and utter bullshit. My wife is a doctor and I know a few doctors. None are going to leave practice because of "Obamacare". Most of the doctors I know are primary care ans they are very excited about the ACA. It means that primary care will at least get paid for a lot of services that they currently get payed very little or not at all for. What the hell are these docs going to do if the quit doctoring? Lobby? Now lets look at the source of this crap.
Doctor Patient Medical Association is a Tea party creation and has very close ties to ALEC.
quote:Source It seems all you are hearing is anti-ACA propaganda. Do your own research and vet sources before you jump to conclusions.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Is there any good news about it at all? Is it a complete catastrophe?
It's a mixture of Chicken Littles, another excuse to bash Obama, and people following party orders. In the end, it is just a slightly different way to buy the same private health insurance that Americans have been buying for decades. That's it. As in the past, premiums are going to go up for some people, and down for others. This was the case before Obamacare, and it will continue to be the case. The only catastrophe in this whole thing is that they did not create socialized, single payer healthcare like you and our other good neighbors to the North have. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
The pyramids guaranteed immortality to the pharaohs who collected the money, not to the people they collected it from. By analogy, Obamacare would guarantee the immortality of the U.S. government. If it lasts as long as the pyramids because of Obamacare....
Claire Blanche health care for everyone paid by a government whocollects the money to pay for it is equivalent to what Egypt did when the Pharaohs build Pyramids that guarnteed immortality.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Modulous writes: Wow, really? A study performed by a group dedicated to repealing Obamacare as reported by a Fox News author found some frightening conclusion about Obamacare. It must be true then For sure.I didn't think the number was actually that high, but I've also heard rumours from the Canada-side about the "reversal of the brain-drain." Brain-drain is a Canadian term that acknowledges the bulk of our doctors go to school in Canada, then head to the US for the higher paying jobs. Apparently, the popularity of this move has been decreasing lately.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
What the hell are these docs going to do if the quit doctoring? Lobby? Well, no... the argument is that they would doctor elsewhere. The united states isn't the only country with medical facilities.
Now lets look at the source of this crap. Yeah, just wanted to hear the other side.
Do your own research and vet sources before you jump to conclusions. What conclusions do you think I jumped to? If you read my post, it was asking questions... not making statements. What better way to "vet sources" then to ask those who defend the concept for the opposing view?
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