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hooah212002
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Message 391 of 1485 (644058)
12-14-2011 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Buzsaw
12-14-2011 6:08 PM


Re: Good For Perry
He wants to go back to what worked very well for both gays and straight
The only people it worked for were people who think being gay is icky and a sin i.e.: anyone NOT gay. So to say that DADT worked well for gay soldiers is as moronic thing as you've ever said.
GIs will, by and large find two gay men soldiers making love, kissing, etc in the trenches and around the bases repulsive and demoralizing.
Yes, because we a} still fight wars in trenches, b) allow soldiers of ANY sexual preference to show affection towards one another while in uniform. Get your head out of your bigoted ass old man. Guess what? I am a vet and I never gave two fucks what sexual preference ANY of my battle buddies had. What I find repulsive and demoralizing is the fact that ignorant old coots like you have equal voting rights as the rest of us non-bigots. If I had my druthers, there would be an IQ/idiocracy test at the voting booth.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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hooah212002
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Message 392 of 1485 (644059)
12-14-2011 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by Dr Adequate
12-14-2011 5:49 PM


Re: Self-Declared Non-Witch Endorses Romney
Yes, Christine O'Donnell
Why is she still being talked about? She is of utter and absolute non-importance....

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Shield
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Message 393 of 1485 (644062)
12-14-2011 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Buzsaw
12-14-2011 6:08 PM


Re: Good For Perry
He wants to go back to what worked very well for both gays and straight i.e. don't ask, don't tell
Jesus Christ man, Wheres your heart!?
You are a veteran right? How would you feel if you could not tell anybody about your sweetheart backhome when you served? If you had to pretend to be another person, 24/7?
You should be more like this young patriots father, and army friends.
GIs will, by and large find two gay men soldiers making love, kissing, etc in the trenches and around the bases repulsive and demoralizing.
How do you know?
Error code: 404
And why would they be kissing in the trenches? Why would they even be in trenches?
If 2 gay men happens to be kissing, you can look away you know..
Rules are rules..
Within militaries, officers and members of enlisted ranks are typically prohibited from personally associating outside of their professional duties and orders. Excessively familiar relationships between officers of different ranks may also be considered fraternization, especially when between officers in the same chain of command. The reasons for anti-fraternization policies within modern militaries often include the maintenance of discipline and chain of command and the prevention of the spreading of military secrets to enemies, which may amount to treason or sedition under military law. (For an example of the former, consider a fighting force in which officers are unwilling to put certain enlisted men at risk; for an example of the latter, consider a situation in which a senior officer passes secrets to a junior officer, who allows them to be compromised by a romantic interest and consequently to end up in the hands of the enemy).
That covers everyone...
Years back....
Another War Department decree of 1940 asserted that segregation "has proven satisfactory over a long period of years." A survey of white enlisted men in 1942 revealed "a strong prejudice against sharing recreation, theater, or post exchange facilities with Negroes"; of southern soldiers polled, only 4 percent favored equal PX privileges for their black comrades."
Edited by rbp, : No reason given.
Edited by rbp, : No reason given.

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subbie
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Message 394 of 1485 (644064)
12-14-2011 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Buzsaw
12-14-2011 6:08 PM


Re: Good For Perry
Buz old bean, I have no disillusion that you will modify your position based on evidence; you haven't yet so there's no reason suppose you will now. But just in case there's some other hateful bigot who might be open to considering evidence, here's some:
Gen. James F. Amos, the current Commandant of the Marines, is thrilled with how the transition to allowing gays to serve openly is going. He toured the Gulf and fielded questions from troops in a series of "town hall" style meetings and didn't hear one single complaint about the new policy. Not one.
This doesn't sound like repulsion and demoralization to me, but then, I'm not a bigot.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 395 of 1485 (644065)
12-14-2011 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by subbie
12-14-2011 8:27 PM


Re: Good For Perry
Um, soldiers who have any smarts at all don't complain to Generals about their policies, especially not with lots of reporters present.

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subbie
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Message 396 of 1485 (644067)
12-14-2011 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Coyote
12-14-2011 8:33 PM


Re: Good For Perry
That's right, when you see evidence that disagrees with your world view, the first thing you have to do is discount it. Well done. Keep working that lock step and everything will be fine.
BTW, try reading the article before knee-jerking, m'kay?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Coyote
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Message 397 of 1485 (644068)
12-14-2011 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by subbie
12-14-2011 8:39 PM


Re: Good For Perry
I was responding to a post, not the article.
And you take a lot upon yourself to decide what my opinion is regarding gays, in the military or out.
My comment had to do with soldiers mouthing off in front of the press to a General. Pretty soon the General and all the press are gone, and what then? The soldiers know what then and toe the line, no matter what they might actually think.
But you jumped to conclusions, didn't you?

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subbie
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Message 398 of 1485 (644069)
12-14-2011 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 397 by Coyote
12-14-2011 8:45 PM


Re: Good For Perry
And you take a lot upon yourself to decide what my opinion is regarding gays, in the military or out.
Feel free to enlighten me.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Coyote
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Message 399 of 1485 (644073)
12-14-2011 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 398 by subbie
12-14-2011 8:48 PM


Re: Good For Perry
Feel free to enlighten me.
I have no problem with gays in the military or anywhere else.
Subbie eat heap big crow?

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jar
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Message 400 of 1485 (644074)
12-14-2011 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Buzsaw
12-14-2011 6:08 PM


Re: Good For Perry
Perry is certainly good for a laugh. The man is a total idiot and simply a panderer. What is even funnier is that there is actually an audience that doesn't break a rib laughing at his commercials.
He sure do look sweet and right at home in that Brokeback Mountain jacket though, don't he?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Shield
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Message 401 of 1485 (644075)
12-14-2011 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Coyote
12-14-2011 8:33 PM


Re: Good For Perry
You should read the Army Times link i posted in a response to buz.
I don’t care about your sexuality, said Navy Ensign Mario Tarver, now in flight training at Vance Air Force Base, Okla. If you can get the job done, load up my plane so I can go perform the mission, I have no problem with you.
I would think in the vast majority of cases, 99 percent, there would be no impact, said Navy Intelligence Specialist 1st Class David Rister, who worked with a Special Forces unit in Iraq in 2007 and now is assigned to a Hawaii-based P-3 squadron.
I probably would continue just being like I am, said a gay Air Force captain. I’m not going to put a big rainbow sticker on my desk. I’d put pictures of my partner on my desk.
And btw., DUMB soldiers dont complain about their officers policies, if they seem wrong. I dont know much about the US millitary, but here in Denmark, we want soldiers, not robots or cannonfodder.

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Message 402 of 1485 (644076)
12-14-2011 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by Shield
12-14-2011 8:53 PM


Re: Good For Perry
DUMB soldiers dont complain about their officers policies, if they seem wrong. I dont know much about the US millitary...
Smart soldiers don't complain about their Generals' policies in front of a pack of reporters. Period.
DUMB soldiers, who knows.

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hooah212002
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Message 403 of 1485 (644077)
12-14-2011 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Coyote
12-14-2011 8:33 PM


Re: Good For Perry
Gen. James F. Amos, the head of the U.S. Marines who wasn't too thrilled with Don't Ask Don't Tell being repealed in September,
That is the first line in the article. Marines (not soldiers) who know the general is against the bill will voice their opinion. Second: there is no repercussion for service members to voice their opinion in this format since that was the sole purpose of the discussion. Third, DADT is not the policy of the commandant.
Maybe next time you make a relevant comment? Maybe next time you think with your head and not your conservative ass.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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subbie
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Message 404 of 1485 (644078)
12-14-2011 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Coyote
12-14-2011 8:51 PM


Re: Good For Perry
It's hardly a secret that you're conservative. Most people who consider themselves conservative are against gays in the military. Many are maintaining that position and ignoring the fact that there don't appear to be any problems as a result of the policy change. I offered evidence to support the contention that the transition is going well. Your response strongly suggested that you didn't even read the article that I linked. Instead, you seemed to downplay the significance of the evidence. From these facts, I believe it was a reasonable tentative conclusion that you are against gays in the military.
I will take your claim at face value and accept that you do not oppose gays in the military. My tentative conclusion was in error. If you feel that one must eat crow every time one comes to a tentative but erroneous conclusion, I can understand why you think I should have some on my plate. However, I've just finished a delicious dinner that my better half prepared, so shall decline, but will admit I made a mistake.
Now, with all that having been said, how likely do you think it is that Buz will change his position based on the evidence?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Coyote
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Message 405 of 1485 (644079)
12-14-2011 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 403 by hooah212002
12-14-2011 8:57 PM


Re: Good For Perry
Maybe next time you make a relevant comment? Maybe next time you think with your head and not your conservative ass.
And which opinion is conservative?
That smart soldiers don't contradict their Generals in front of a bunch of reporters?
Or supporting gays in the military and everywhere else?

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