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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')
Percy
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Message 691 of 1049 (692437)
03-03-2013 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 690 by Faith
03-02-2013 11:37 AM


Re: Dr. Adequate Out of Order Again
I think the thread where you actually wanted to have posted this is Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0(NOT A DISCUSSION TOPIC!!!)[/color].
I'm a participant in the Evolution Requires Reduction in Genetic Diversity and so cannot moderate, but I can comment. Dr Adequate does seem to enjoy brinkmanship. Participation in the style he enjoys does raise the question of how much ridicule is justified or appropriate in response to the ridiculous.
When moderating such circumstances I try to look for whether the person posting ridiculous content is engaging in serious and sincere discussion. In the case of the The Origin of Novelty thread it appeared to me that Bolder-dash was engaging in serious and sincere discussion. He responded to what people actually said, and his responses moved the discussion forward instead of just repeating his position. So when Dr A persistently made comments directed at Bolder-dash personally I suspended him. Twice.
--Percy

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Dr Adequate
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Message 692 of 1049 (692466)
03-03-2013 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 690 by Faith
03-02-2013 11:37 AM


Re: Dr. Adequate Out of Order Again
Well, what do you expect from ... what was it you called us on that same thread? Ah yes, "rabid evolutionist wolves". Naturally these frothing hydrophobic brutes are hardly going to rise to your standard of courtesy.

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Faith 
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Message 693 of 1049 (692484)
03-03-2013 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 692 by Dr Adequate
03-03-2013 4:29 PM


Re: Dr. Adequate Out of Order Again
Not the same thing. I'm not objecting to generic putdowns of creationists here, just to personal namecalling of identified individuals. Wherever I also do that then I'm happy to be suspended just so the rule will be upheld, but if you are going to get away with it I'm sure I can come up with some personal insults to you as well.

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Faith 
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Message 694 of 1049 (692486)
03-03-2013 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 691 by Percy
03-03-2013 8:14 AM


Re: Dr. Adequate Out of Order Again
In other words you are willing to suspend the rules for the nasty Dr. A and you think I deserve the ridicule, you who are the second stupidest one on my thread. Now suspend ME. After the last couple of exchanges on that thread where I came up with some new ways of explaining my point, only to get the usual idiotic put downs in return, I'm finally giving up. So enjoy your self-satisfied self-indulgent self-confirming evolutionist bilge. I'm joining the other worthy creationists who have long since left, better late than never.

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Percy
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Message 695 of 1049 (692487)
03-03-2013 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 694 by Faith
03-03-2013 10:06 PM


Re: Dr. Adequate Out of Order Again
Hi Faith,
What you need to do instead of blaming everyone else for your problems is to discuss things scientifically, which means backing up your ideas with facts and data from the real world. There is no research that supports any of your unique ideas. They're just things you've made up. Of course ideas that are only of your imagination and that are contradicted by the real world seem ridiculous to everyone else, as if someone came here trying to tell us the world of Harry Potter was the way things really work.
--Percy

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Bolder-dash
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Message 696 of 1049 (692488)
03-03-2013 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 695 by Percy
03-03-2013 10:39 PM


Then who is a moderator?
Percy,
Your statement right there makes it pretty clear that you are incapable of being a moderator. A moderator doesn't have an agenda, doesn't take sides, doesn't have a pro-conceived idea about who is going to be right and who is going to be wrong and doesn't say some rules aren't necessary if I think you are wrong.
You have just used the excuse that it is reasonable that Dr. A uses personal insults, because well, you think Faith is wrong, and you also think your side has the science to back it.
Even granting you the most friendly interpretation of the facts, you would be incredibly wrong to make this statement as a moderator. But what's even worse for you is even your facts are wrong. Her theory is no less scientifically verified than is the great theory you proselytize. So you not only don't posses the basic requirements of a moderator in any environment which would even pretend to be anything more than propaganda, you don't even have the excuse of science to hide behind.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 697 of 1049 (692491)
03-04-2013 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 696 by Bolder-dash
03-03-2013 11:17 PM


Bolder-dash Versus Personalia ... The Epic Struggle Continues
All of the following are from just one thread.
Bolder-dash writes:
Panda,
Were you on the debate team in school? Because clearly you are gifted.
I mean, I assume your cave had a school.
Bolder-dash writes:
Drosphillia,
First off, why don't you man up and go blow yourself.
Bolder-dash writes:
I don't find you to be very intelligent
Bolder-dash writes:
Plus, you seem to have some kind of hang-ups or scars about religion which have nothing to do with me-so since I am not a psycho-therapist its just not that fruitful.
Bolder-dash writes:
You make me laugh AZ.
Bolder-dash writes:
Dr. A needs something to belief in to protect him from the religious demons that haunt him.
Bolder-dash writes:
Why did you even come on here, when you have absolutely nothing to contribute?
Bolder-dash writes:
I know you are from the Netherlands, are you stoned?
Bolder-dash writes:
Actually Oni is the pussy, he is afraid to look at things sober.
Boulder-dash writes:
Are you off your rocker?
And, of course ...
Bolder-dash writes:
If you are here to moderate the thread, then why don't you do so? Why didn't you moderate all of the abusive comments.

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Percy
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Message 698 of 1049 (692495)
03-04-2013 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 696 by Bolder-dash
03-03-2013 11:17 PM


Re: Then who is a moderator?
Hi Bolder-dash,
The question concerns how one moderates responses to what I'll call buffoonish behavior. Certainly there are degrees of buffoonish behavior, and not everything you and Faith have said is equally buffoonish, but the statement I had in mind in my previous post was when Faith began claiming, determinedly and persistently, that mutations don't exist. Given the available scientific evidence this is akin to claiming that electrons don't exist, or to shift the focus to something similar to what you've just claimed, is akin to claiming that there's as much scientific evidence against the existence of electrons as there is for.
So the question is how should a moderator handle the inevitable responses of ridicule and worse that such claims will bring. What level of protection should a moderator provide to those who, quite literally, invite ridicule? And as I just described, I think it should depend upon how sincerely and seriously the person is treating both the discussion and the other participants. Naturally this is a judgment call and there can be wide ranges of opinion on each incident.
Concerning your own case, moderators are responsible for keeping discussion on-topic as covered by both the Forum Guidelines and the Moderator Guidelines. Moderators make decisions about topic all the time. I invited you to explain via PM why you felt the particular issue was relevant, and you instead decided to violate several Forum Guidelines in a single post, thereby demonstrating the issues you have with impulse control, low frustration levels, and anger management.
--Percy

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onifre
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Message 699 of 1049 (692654)
03-06-2013 9:56 AM


Stick up your ass, Moose?
Are we good, Moose? Did you get it out of your system or will I be suspended again for the most minor of infractions?
Mind you, you still haven't suspended the person who actually called me a pussy and insulted a few other people (See Dr. A's post).
I went to that thread to comment to see what your reaction would be. As I suspected, you suspended me and not Bolder-gash who has, like Dr. A has pointed out, insulted many people on the same thread. Just before that you tried to suspend me for 5 fucking days for the same thing that Percy suspended someone else for only 24 hours.
So...what the fuck is your problem with me or your problem in general?
- Oni

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Shield
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Message 700 of 1049 (692743)
03-07-2013 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 699 by onifre
03-06-2013 9:56 AM


Im not on anyones side here but..

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onifre
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Message 701 of 1049 (692744)
03-07-2013 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 700 by Shield
03-07-2013 12:40 AM


Re: Im not on anyones side here but..
Deal with what specifically?
- Oni

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Bolder-dash
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Message 702 of 1049 (692750)
03-07-2013 6:42 AM
Reply to: Message 699 by onifre
03-06-2013 9:56 AM


Re: Stick up your ass, Moose?
Oni,
It was a JOKE, about drug use! There was a smilie face for crying out loud!!
Did you actually believe Dr. A when he was trying to post his propaganda that I had insulted you? If that's the case, you really MUST be high!
That's a joke, a JOKE! Take it easy. I mean, not the part about Dr. A being a deceitful* propagandist of course, but yea, the rest.
*(I am not sure if I can use the word deceitf@l here either. Percy is also a propagandist, you see. Jack booted thugs will be at my door anytime now, so sorry, no more time for more smilie faces, I have to run quick...).

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onifre
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Message 703 of 1049 (692801)
03-07-2013 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 702 by Bolder-dash
03-07-2013 6:42 AM


I got no beef with you
It was a JOKE, about drug use! There was a smilie face for crying out loud!!
Yeah I get that. I'm sure you're not that stiff of a prick to be so judgmental about weed. But you did say something about me and called me a pussy, which, to a moderator who is being very strict about the rules, would be a suspendable offense.
I only then called you a "pussy" too to see which one of us Moose would suspend, since he had just finished suspending me for 5 days on a bullshit issue (which he then adjusted to 48 hours). In any case, I don't think you or I should have been suspended for making jokes.
- Oni

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Message 704 of 1049 (693074)
03-10-2013 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 699 by onifre
03-06-2013 9:56 AM


Re: Stick up your ass, Moose?
Invoking the "He's an idiot, therefore I'm free to be an idiot" defense?
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

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onifre
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Message 705 of 1049 (693147)
03-11-2013 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 704 by Adminnemooseus
03-10-2013 5:28 PM


Re: Stick up your ass, Moose?
Invoking the "He's an idiot, therefore I'm free to be an idiot" defense?
Is that what you took from it? Interesting.
- Oni

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