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Message 1 of 14 (676281)
10-21-2012 12:22 PM


From the blogosphere, there are reports that Glen Morton has taken down his pages:
Creationism isn't the Real Enemy; Intellectual Dishonesty Is
The Loss of an Ally?
Those blog pages are not independent of one another. But they do link to Morton's statement on the issue.
Edited by nwr, : Fix typo in thread title

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10-21-2012 9:28 PM
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Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
Glenn Morton has posted here at evcforum.net. His topic index is here.
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Or something like that.

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10-22-2012 12:28 AM
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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
Glenn Morton's message are a interesting read. While he says he accepts evolution and the Big Bang theory, he also says he believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis including a belief in some version of Adam and the Fall. I can imagine ways to reconcile those beliefs, but most of them involve forms of willful ignorance. I seems to me likely that holding them would produce cognitive dissonance in someone who has to do science for a living.
Morton seems to be principally a fundamentalist and his recognition that a few things in Genesis were not as his peers believe does not seem to have changed that.

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Message 4 of 14 (690664)
02-15-2013 4:19 AM
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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
NoNukes wrote:>>he also says he believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis including a belief in some version of Adam and the Fall.<<
I've corresponded with him. That site he took down explained his view of Adam and the fall.
He believed Adam was an australopithecine living in the Mediterranean basin five million years ago. The flood was the filling of the Mediterranean. The inpouring of the Atlantic, he says, changed the temperature enough to cause the massive rains.
Pretty far-fetched. I asked him why he bothered struggling so hard for a literal Genesis, and basically he said he was going to struggle for it until he just couldn't.

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02-15-2013 7:52 AM


At least most of his pages are available at http://glennmortonspages.wikispaces.com/...on's+Pages+-+Home

  
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02-15-2013 10:19 AM
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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
Hi truthlover! I wish you posted more. How's that hippy commune coming along? I've always had a sense of envy for you guys out there.

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Message 7 of 14 (690688)
02-15-2013 11:21 AM
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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
He believed Adam was an australopithecine living in the Mediterranean basin five million years ago. The flood was the filling of the Mediterranean. The inpouring of the Atlantic, he says, changed the temperature enough to cause the massive rains.
Pretty far-fetched.
How is it far fetched when we read that the actual mass extinction of all humanoids did actually occur with a "flood" of Modern Homo sapiens that covered the whole earth, as they rained down upon the earth to the highest mountain tops during a 40 thousands year period of time?
It seems a pretty cleverly couched analogy or even literal report on paleontology, set down in a day befoe anyone, antwhere, ever would have been able to even entertain a more direct corrspondence with the scientific facts we now can hardly believe.
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Message 8 of 14 (690693)
02-15-2013 11:41 AM
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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
How is it far fetched when we read that the actual mass extinction of all humanoids did actually occur with a "flood" of Modern Homo sapiens that covered the whole earth, as they rained down upon the earth to the highest mountain tops during a 40 thousands year period of time?
Did Noah's ark float on people? Best. Crowd-surfing. Ever!
It seems a pretty cleverly couched analogy or even literal report on paleontology, set down in a day befoe anyone, antwhere, ever would have been able to even entertain a more direct corrspondence with the scientific facts we now can hardly believe.
Have you ever actually read the story? It really was talking about a shit-ton of water. There was a bird with an olive branch, they ended up finding land. You know, the story of Noah's Ark?
It was based on the Epic of Gilgamesh. They had a flood story too. It was about water, not crowd-surfing.

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02-15-2013 11:42 AM
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How is it far fetched when we read that the actual mass extinction of all humanoids did actually occur with a "flood" of Modern Homo sapiens that covered the whole earth, as they rained down upon the earth to the highest mountain tops during a 40 thousands year period of time?
Why did I suddenly think of the Weather Girls?
It seems a pretty cleverly couched analogy or even literal report on paleontology ...
So cleverly couched that you're the first and so far only person in history to understand it.
That wouldn't actually be clever, would it? Why not just say what happened?
In this "literal report on paleontology", in which the flood waters apparently stand for H. sapiens, what is the interpretation of, for example, Genesis 13-14? "By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry." That would have to correspond to the complete extinction of H. sapiens, if this "literal report" is to be consistent in its analogy.

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Message 10 of 14 (690698)
02-15-2013 11:53 AM
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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
Have you ever actually read the story?
Have you ever read Gulliver's Travels?
There is a gnere of literary works which communicate idea from the writer to his readers using the Literary Arts in a way that allows publication to egt past the always present editors or fire ideas ver the head of people locked in a paradigm of their times which would road block a more direct itemization if what was really being said.
Until today, and not even now without such a protest from the bible bangers, still, those 22 names in the genealogy of Genesis could not have been said to have been the 22 now extinct ape-men in the ascent of modern man, which our own paleontology supports.
The correspondence between science facts and what Genesis says suggests that the subject matter is identical, but the times have changed such that now the real meaning are more clear:
Book:
The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans
by G.J.Sawyer, (Author)

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02-15-2013 12:00 PM
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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
There is a gnere of literary works which communicate idea from the writer to his readers using the Literary Arts in a way that allows publication to egt past the always present editors or fire ideas ver the head of people locked in a paradigm of their times which would road block a more direct itemization if what was really being said.
And there is apparently also a "gnere", or even a genre, of literary works which totally fail to communicate ideas from the writer to his readers. And if your interpretation of Genesis was correct, which it isn't, then Genesis would be a shining example of this genre.

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Re: Glenn Morton at evcforum.net
Have you ever read Gulliver's Travels?
There is a gnere of literary works which communicate idea from the writer to his readers using the Literary Arts in a way that allows publication to egt past the always present editors or fire ideas ver the head of people locked in a paradigm of their times which would road block a more direct itemization if what was really being said.
The Bible is neither satire nor a parody.
Until today, and not even now without such a protest from the bible bangers, still, those 22 names in the genealogy of Genesis could not have been said to have been the 22 now extinct ape-men in the ascent of modern man, which our own paleontology supports.
The correspondence between science facts and what Genesis says suggests that the subject matter is identical, but the times have changed such that now the real meaning are more clear:
That's just some bullshit you made up. Your so far from anything realistic that its not even worth arguing over.
And you need to improve your photoshopping skills.

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Message 13 of 14 (690707)
02-15-2013 12:21 PM
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Gen 8:13-14
In this "literal report on paleontology", in which the flood waters apparently stand for H. sapiens, what is the interpretation of, for example,...
Genesis 8: 13-14? "By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry."
That would have to correspond to the complete extinction of H. sapiens, if this "literal report" is to be consistent in its analogy.
Now this is an intelligent, fair, educated look at the text and the question concerning your reading comprehension and assumptions you make are good literary criticism with an opened minded look at a hypothesis being presented by which to explain what Genesis is actually telling us.
The flood water were Modern Homo sapiens.
Over the last 40,000 years at least, we helped exterminate Neanderthals, as the previous chapters said, as they clear became extinct during that time.
Gen. 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first (thousandth) year, (100,000 years after Noah's wife gave birth to the three racial stocks of Modern man: [Gen 5:31]), in the first month, (the Tertiary Period of the Cenozoic Era), the first "day" of (the 40 thousand year trek Out-of-Africa), the (i.e.; the Pleistocene Age, or) "month," (the first "month" of Modern Homo sapiens dominance, the waters (of evolving Modern Homo sapiens) were dried up from (the great population explosion) off the earth: and (these Archaic Homo sapien species), Noah, removed (the Neanderthal paradigm that had pre-existed Modern Homo sapiens' evolution), the covering of the ark (of the world veiw according to Noahian's perceptions), and looked (upon his own biological dominance), and, behold, (this new evolution of humanity was singularly dominant on the earth), the face of the ground was dry, (the immense population exodus Out-of-Africa was over)!
Gen. 8:14 And in the second month, (the Quaternary Period), on the seven and twentieth day of the month was the earth dried, (the extinction had ended, some where in the middle to near end of the 40,000 years just past).
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Message 14 of 14 (690746)
02-15-2013 6:27 PM
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Re: Gen 8:13-14
kofh2u writes:
Gen. 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first (thousandth) year, (100,000 years after Noah's wife gave birth to the three racial stocks of Modern man: [Gen 5:31]), in the first month, (the Tertiary Period of the Cenozoic Era), the first "day" of (the 40 thousand year trek Out-of-Africa), the (i.e.; the Pleistocene Age, or) "month," (the first "month" of Modern Homo sapiens dominance, the waters (of evolving Modern Homo sapiens) were dried up from (the great population explosion) off the earth: and (these Archaic Homo sapien species), Noah, removed (the Neanderthal paradigm that had pre-existed Modern Homo sapiens' evolution), the covering of the ark (of the world veiw according to Noahian's perceptions), and looked (upon his own biological dominance), and, behold, (this new evolution of humanity was singularly dominant on the earth), the face of the ground was dry, (the immense population exodus Out-of-Africa was over)!
Gen. 8:14 And in the second month, (the Quaternary Period), on the seven and twentieth day of the month was the earth dried, (the extinction had ended, some where in the middle to near end of the 40,000 years just past).
Words from the bible = 68
Words added by kofh2u = 121

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