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Granny Magda
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Message 136 of 355 (617656)
05-30-2011 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Dawn Bertot
05-29-2011 8:21 PM


Re: Ok, I'll give my opinion ...
Then you will never have a valid conversation with a true IDst or creationist, atleast one that understands the fundamentals of reason and argumentation
Well when one comes along, be sure to let me know.
Oh wait. You meant yourself didn't you. Oh.
Oh you poor man.
The simplest way to demonstrate that you have no clue between the distinction you make above, is to ask the very simple question, what prevents anything that evolved, from being designed or created to evolve, hence created in the first place
Nothing at all. That would be a Theistic Evolutionist's position.
However, if that were your position, you would not need to spend so much time artlessly attempting to blow holes in the ToE.
Once again and like so many here, your problem is with religion, not ID or Creationism
Egad! The mind boggles.
Are you really suggesting that creationism, a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God, has nothing to do with religion? Really? If so, you're even more far gone than I thought.
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Bolder-dash
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Message 137 of 355 (617657)
05-30-2011 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Granny Magda
05-30-2011 11:34 AM


Re: Ok, I'll give my opinion ...
the only thing left to do with such creationists is to roundly humiliate them in front of an audience, with the purpose of showing everyone else just how silly creationism really is.
Well, there is one other possibility.
You could call yourself Granny Magda and come on this thread and claim that it is creationists who are the belligerent assholes, and give everyone who reads your slapstick the biggest chuckle they have probably had in a week. And then you can go back to your day job of shaving pentagrams onto stray cats and using them to scare the devil into your neighbors kids going to Sunday school.

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Granny Magda
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Message 138 of 355 (617658)
05-30-2011 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Buzsaw
05-30-2011 6:44 AM


Re: Who Dominates The Schools?
Hi Buz,
Secularistic ToE and BB theory has it's claws deeply embedded in the schools.
Yes, science has its evil claws deeply embedded in... science class. Nasty, nasty scientists!
What are you talking about?
Don't play dumb Buz. You know perfectly well that many creationist groups are seeking to influence school science curricula. The Louisiana "Science Education" Act is one example. there are countless more.
Creationism has been outlawed from the schools, by and large, compared to what it was like during the days of our founders and most of the US's history.
Just because most of these attempts get (justly) skewered, doesn't mean that science-minded folks are going to declare victory and give up the fight. We know all to well that if we are not vigilant, creo lobby groups will be in there like a shot, polluting children's educations with garbage.
Mutate and Survive

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GDR
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Message 139 of 355 (617659)
05-30-2011 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Taz
05-30-2011 2:05 AM


Taz writes:
Of course Newton and other great minds attributed their works to their belief in god. To not do so would have meant alienation by their peers.
Actually I don't believe they did attribute their works to God. My pont was that the fact that they believed there was a god and so had confidence that there was order to the universe and that the scientific method could be successful in unravelling that order. Newton's Christianity was out of step with the church anyway.
Taz writes:
Is this one of those no true scotsman thing?
Not really. Christianity is a faith. The church is people with all of the human failings that goes with it.

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Granny Magda
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Message 140 of 355 (617660)
05-30-2011 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Bolder-dash
05-30-2011 11:48 AM


Re: Ok, I'll give my opinion ...
Hi BD,
ou could call yourself Granny Magda and come on this thread and claim that it is creationists who are the belligerent assholes, and give everyone who reads your slapstick the biggest chuckle they have probably had in a week.
People could do that if they liked. But they'd kinda be stealing my shtick.
And then you can go back to your day job of shaving pentagrams onto stray cats and using them to scare the devil into your neighbors kids going to Sunday school.
That's not my day job.
a) It's more of a hobby really.
b) It pleases my Dark Lord more to do it at night. Plus it's easier to catch the cats.
Mutate and Survive

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Message 141 of 355 (617661)
05-30-2011 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Buzsaw
05-30-2011 6:44 AM


Re: Who Dominates The Schools?
Buzsaw writes:
Secularistic ToE and BB theory has it's claws deeply embedded in the schools. What are you talking about? Creationism has been outlawed from the schools, by and large, compared to what it was like during the days of our founders and most of the US's history.
You do understand that the many of the people living today are no where near as uneducated, unenlightened, uninformed, unlearned, uneducated and unaware about the model and mechanisms of Evolution as even the best educated Founding Father.
We have learned much since those days.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Bolder-dash
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Message 142 of 355 (617662)
05-30-2011 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Granny Magda
05-30-2011 11:50 AM


Re: Who Dominates The Schools?
Yes, yes, I know just what you mean Granny. They are everywhere those evil creationists just waiting to get their claws into us. Like the other day these girl scouts came to my house asking me to buy their blessed little thin mints. So when I told them that I would never allow those religious sacraments onto my doorstep, the belligerent little girl scout said to me, "Ok, then have a good day." But I know what she meant to say, she meant to say have a God day! So I took her little box of holy cookies and I smashed them all over the sidewalk, and I told her if she ever said have a good day to me again I would take a red hot cross and burn her little sisters eyeballs out with it.
I thought you would be proud of me Granny.

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Granny Magda
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Message 143 of 355 (617663)
05-30-2011 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Bolder-dash
05-30-2011 12:02 PM


Re: Who Dominates The Schools?
Bolders, I have a nice, sensible creationist with whom I might have a discussion, so I'm even less interested than usual in your little pissing contests. If your rant had some actual connection to what was being discussed, that might be one thing. But as far as I can tell it was just a random outpouring of bile.
Mutate and Survive

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Granny Magda
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Message 144 of 355 (617664)
05-30-2011 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Bolder-dash
05-30-2011 12:02 PM


Re: Who Dominates The Schools?
Double post.
Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given.

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fearandloathing
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Message 145 of 355 (617665)
05-30-2011 12:26 PM


Forum for ridicule and personal attack
Maybe we need a forum just to ridicule each other, I would enjoy reading the post there.
Anyone who insisted on hijacking a thread and using it only to ridicule someone could be exiled to that forum for a few days as a warning.
There might even be quite a few people who would use it without being asked to do so, if someone had a problem with xxxx then the could go there and start a topic on why xxxx is a moron.
Bad idea???...probably, but if people are going to be allowed to do it time and again then there should be a place to do it where it wont interfere with those who dont care for it and are tired of off topic post that contain nothing but insults.

"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 146 of 355 (617666)
05-30-2011 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Granny Magda
05-30-2011 12:18 PM


Re: Who Dominates The Schools?
But as far as I can tell it was just a random outpouring of bile.
Oh sorry about that.
I just assumed you needed more bile for your 'Cooking with a Cauldron' classes at your AAI get togethers. .

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Percy
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Message 147 of 355 (617668)
05-30-2011 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Bolder-dash
05-30-2011 11:22 AM


Re: Diminished Creationist Participation
Hi Bolder-dash,
You were not suspended for requesting evidence. Here's the suspension message from Message 237:
Admin writes:
Bolder-dash has been spamming threads and ignoring moderation for a while now, so I'm going to give the website a break for 4 weeks.
As I recall you were ignoring moderator requests to stay on topic and were doing hit-and-runs on threads, meaning that you'd pop in for a post or two at one thread and ignore the responses, then do it in another thread, and then another.
In the Creationism in science classrooms (an argument for) thread you posted a single message, Message 171, that drew 2 responses, you made no reply.
In the The accelerating expanding universe you posted 5 messages that drew 1 response, you made no reply.
In the Cell Division thread you posted 3 messages that drew 5 responses, you stopped responding about the same time you began spamming the other threads.
Your primary problem is that you ignore moderation, pretty much going your own way no matter what moderators say. Over time you've become well known as someone who tries to make trouble for moderators, and that you're now on a fairly short leash can only be blamed on yourself.
But we already know you're unhappy with the moderation here. The topic of this thread is whether moderation is responsible for the diminution of creationist participation, rendered the board irrelevant in your own words. But I would have taken the same actions 10 years ago that I did earlier this year, so I don't see how the way you're being moderated could be a factor.
--Percy

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Bolder-dash
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Message 148 of 355 (617670)
05-30-2011 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Percy
05-30-2011 12:44 PM


Re: Diminished Creationist Participation
Yes, Percy, I know you said the reason I was suspended was for spamming thread. And as you have just shown, what you called spamming was me saying QUOTE:
"And the evidence that random mutations and natural selection can multiply levels of complexity to form the sophisticated life forms we see today is???
You can't always pull out your demand for evidence based thinking, when in fact you have no evidence for the overall mechanisms of how evolution has worked and created multi-faceted co-operative systems; and even scientists like woundedking reluctantly has had to admit that all we can do is speculate, because without a time machine we may never know.
This is what you called spamming!!!
And now you have the audacity to say you would never suspend someone for asking for evidence! Now I see how you can say that, because you simply call it spamming!!!
Or was my crime simply not responding to a couple of posts that i didn't feel have enough merit to respond to? I am sure this must also be a first, the first person suspended here for not responding! Amazing.
so I don't see how the way you're being moderated could be a factor.
That's right Percy, you don't see it (either intentionally or otherwise). Every creationist still on this site has responded to you and said it is a factor, and yet you STILL continue to try to argue that it is not a factor-even when those it effects are telling you the exact opposite. But you know better what the people feel than they know themselves apparently. How pompous could you be?
Every single one of the creationists here has told you yes, the moderation does seem a bit of a problem, and you just plug your ears and say, well, no no, that's not it. Its like a comedy skit.
"Doctor my arm hurts when I lift it."
"No it doesn't. I think its your toe"
"No really Doc, my arm hurts a lot, that's why I have come to you."
"I don't think that's why you have come here at all, I think your toe has been bothering you. I recommend that you wear heavier socks"
"But,... its my arm.."
'Listen, you are delusional. I have many patients just like you. They always say its their arm or their head or some other such silly thing. They are all just badly informed. The problem is their toes.."
What a riot. Maybe now you can tell me what the topic was meant to be about.

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GDR
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Message 149 of 355 (617671)
05-30-2011 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Granny Magda
05-30-2011 11:34 AM


Re: Ok, I'll give my opinion ...
Granny Magda writes:
Oh absolutely. From that point of view, it's imperative that they evangelise me. My eternal soul is at stake after all. Which only makes it harder to see why so many creationists act like boorish belligerent assholes.
Well both sides have that issue to deal with but from a Christian perspective one would think that Christians should be held to a higher standard.
Granny Magda writes:
And from my perspective that might actually be one of the few good things about creationism; it's so blatantly silly that it may well put a lot of people off Christianity altogether. A shame from your perspective, but a bit of a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
I wouldn's categorize it as silly but misguided. It is all based on a serious misunderstanding, IMHO, on how we are to use the Bible. I do agree with your point though that I think a great many non-Christians believe that creationism is the Christian norm, which does certainly create issues.
Granny Magda writes:
But that assumes that there exists a chance of making headway with them. For some, that's just not true. I mean, how much headway do you think it's possible to make with, say, Robert Byers? None I'd say. the only thing left to do with such creationists is to roundly humiliate them in front of an audience, with the purpose of showing everyone else just how silly creationism really is.
Well I don't see that method as working but on the other hand I haven't had a lot of success in trying to show them that their views are not consistent with the Bible itself.

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Percy
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Message 150 of 355 (617673)
05-30-2011 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Bolder-dash
05-30-2011 1:13 PM


Re: Diminished Creationist Participation
Bolder-dash writes:
This is what you called spamming!!!
Given your behavior in other threads at the time and your history I believed you had no intention of responding, and when you post and don't respond that's spamming. Hit-n-runs, also known as drive-by's, are a form of spamming.
As I said before, I would have taken the same action 10 years ago, and creationists and evolutionists have been accusing each other of bias since before time. Do you have any evidence that moderation at EvC Forum has changed in ways that have caused a diminution in creationist participation?
--Percy

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