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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3694 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
No, but incest can. Most of the world does not realize this and gay are not ethical or moral factors but existential ones. If 20% of the world pop becomes gay, humanity will not survive after a few generations. Its been a difficult issue throughout history.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Care to substantiate any of those highly contentious statements with anything even remotely resembling evidence?
Your entire premise seems to be built on a tenuous web of unstated assumptions. One key one seems to be that one must be exclusively homosexual or heterosexual, another that those who are homosexual forgo all interest in having children. TTFN, WK
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3694 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I never said any of that. However, anything which can effect reproduction inherently impacts; it is a biological issue we have no choices of.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
I never said any of that. That is what makes them unstated assumptions, but if you don't believe those things then what is the rationale behind saying that ...
If 20% of the world pop becomes gay, humanity will not survive after a few generations. Was it just a crazy non sequitur that popped out of your brain for no reason at all? Perhaps if you were to actually substantiate your claims as I suggested then we wouldn't have to play a guessing game of me trying to work out why you say apparently ludicrous things. TTFN, WK
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3694 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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There are also facts stated and these are not negatable. Ignoring them is more wrong than right, because it fails to acknowledge the issue. Progress is only possible when all sides of an issue are accounted. Bearing this in mind, what is the solution which is correct?
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Sorry IAJ, I just can't make head nor tail out of what you think you are saying. This seems to be bordering on a word salad.
You simply claiming that something is a fact doesn't actually make it a fact, and your resistance to providing any source to substantiate your supposed facts is less than helpful in terms of making progress in this discussion.
what is the solution which is correct? Making a coherent argument? TTFN, WK
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4171 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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LJ writes: There are also facts stated and these are not negatable Ok , what are these facts?
Ignoring them is more wrong than right, because it fails to acknowledge the issue. You must present these FACTS first, then we can decide to ignore them or not.
Progress is only possible when all sides of an issue are accounted By all means then account for them and fill us in.
Bearing this in mind, what is the solution which is correct? I think WK wanted to know, as do I, how you came up with
If 20% of the world pop becomes gay, humanity will not survive after a few generations. Its been a difficult issue throughout history. Why don't you just answer the question? You seem to think asking a question is an answer."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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MikeDeich Junior Member (Idle past 4585 days) Posts: 24 From: Rosario, Argentina Joined:
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I am from California, but now live in Argentina where I started a business....& in my experience this is clearly the case. I have had many more females looking for my attention when they hear my horrible spanish accent. I think I sound like a retard, they find it cute. & I think we all can agree that foreign accents are sexy to some extent, for both men and women.
Looking at our closest genetic relative's behavior. Female chimps frequently leave their natal group upon reaching maturity....the idea being that since males rarely leave their natal group over generations, females leave naturally to avoid possible incest. Whether these females would be found more attractive among the males of a new group? Im not sure Ive ever read anything like that. I think the possibility of incest may be at the root of a natural attraction of both sexes for people clearly born farther away from the individual. How incest and homosexuality are in anyway similar, I just dont get the logic Joseph. Incest produces unfit offspring, homosexuality does not. If homosexuality was at 20%, the population would continue to grow and homosexuality would stay at 20%...Homosexuals still have a desire to reproduce and many enter into heterosexual relationships or marriages for that very reason, as well as not accepting their sexuality. Homosexuals can have heterosexual children, and straight parents can have gay children...The % of homosexuals in the world has most likely stayed the same as long as human beings have been around (btw if I remember right, this is argued to be in between 5-15% of individuals, depending on who you ask....inevitably sexuality has alot of grey area)....In any case I still think its obviously off-topic
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Taz Member (Idle past 3318 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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MikeDeich writes:
This is only true in certain cases. Have you ever heard anyone say they think east asian or middle eastern accent is sexy? In fact, most people would describe asian accent as "funny" instead of sexy.
I think we all can agree that foreign accents are sexy to some extent, for both men and women.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3694 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
No brain salad, no need for substantiation. The fact was put up. Yes, if 20% of the population goes gay - humanity goes pop! Which part is confusing or non-factual other than deflecting from this blatancy? Its not about gays - its about hetros and gays and humanity as a whole, which must always take precedence of the individual, and what the true situation confronting us actually is in the big picture.
Now most of us westerners will decry the Hebrew bible as being not moral or ethical to gay/incest rights, rght? Wrong! The moral/ethical parts come from the Hebrew exclusively [sounds haughty - but also its true] - nothing comes from the Gospels or Quran which humanity as a whole accepts - get it? When one sees this law as existential, then the entire picture changes. At the same time, humanity must take a path which is moral and ethical, as gays are brothers and sisters - a father, child or loved one can be gay. Here, the law becomes a testing how we proceed, presenting us with great enigmas. So bearing the correct criteria - I ask how should the issue be addressed? You pretended you don't understand! With regard to incest, again the law rests on humanity as a whole, which takes precedence of the individual. One must ask themselves, how will they react if say a 50 year old male neighbour invites you to celebrate the birth of a child - gotten from a union of him and his 25 year old biological daughter. Remember its of a true love and of mutual consent and they are not hurting anyone - they have a right to happiness. That is the issue where must place their answer - bang within those enigmas. The genes and metabolism factor of course kicks in here. Because something which is not conducive to reproduction [continuance of humanity] has an automatic biological impact - its involuntary, like immune cells spitting out a harmful virus. Thus far, many have cited if stoning is legitimate - because this all comes from the Hebrew bible. This is a deflection - the stoning part only represents ancient ways when one got his hands chopped for a parking fine. In fact, there is no difference in the issue concerning incest and gays - one cannot dislodge either as both rest on the same criteria: no judge can negate one and condone the other. What's your answer? Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3694 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I suspect here there is a natural affinity to emulate kin and loves ones as the comfort zone, but another factor also kicks in when this is achieved too closely. This can well align with the law to GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY as being an inherent trait. It says both - emulate what you learn from parents and community; while also not to co-inhabit with them. Its a double edged sword.
quote: The 20% represents the threshold where negative growth enters the picture. This does impact humanity's continuance and appears the reason why there is a rejection seen by hetros - its not bigotry as many confuse this with; its an existential factor, displayed in the mode it manifests itself.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Still no evidence, just an assertion. Do you have anything, anything at all, to back this up?
Or are we to accept your word as if from some oracle?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3694 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Which part?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
All of it. Please show where you have provided any evidence for any of your assertions.
But lets start here.
Yes, if 20% of the population goes gay - humanity goes pop! Then again there are a # of people that come here that don't feel statements like this should be backed by evidence. Seems personal testimony trumps evidence for a few people.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3694 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Its not personal or an opinion, but a mathematical fact. In many countries of the west, new laws are being considered and enacted which have different impacts from the past and of the future. They are irrefutable factors which must be included.
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