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Message 1276 of 1429 (903516)
12-12-2022 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Dredge
12-12-2022 9:48 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
... only a fool would trust what Darwinoids say...
You're a fool. Why don't you trust what Darwinists say?
Dredge writes:
What advancement in the treatment of disease has resulted from the "use" of the theory of UCD?
Cow and pig insulin.
Dredge writes:
UCD has no practical use in medical science...
Where did you get that idea anyway? From somebody else with an IQ of 9? You certainly didn't get it from anybody with any knowledge of medical science.
Dredge writes:
... only an idiot or a delusional Darwinoid would waste time on it.
You're a self-confessed idiot and you've wasted a lot of time on it in this thread.
Dredge writes:
... the only thing you "know" about UCD is that it's a theory.
And YOU don't understand what a theory is. Saying "only a theory" is like saying "only a trillion dollars". The word "only" doesn't really apply to something so vast.
Dredge writes:
I want to know if the theory of UCD has provided a practical advancement in medical science or applied biology ... I haven't encountered one yet.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure I mentioned one: cow and pig insulin.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 1277 of 1429 (903522)
12-12-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1276 by ringo
12-12-2022 11:12 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Saying "only a theory" is like saying "only a trillion dollars". The word "only" doesn't really apply to something so vast.
Well, it's a well known fact that the Bible is only a book.
Where did you get that idea anyway? From somebody else with an IQ of 9?
He got it from other creationists, so, yeah, somebody else with an IQ of 9.
The thing is that creationists always lie. They have to, because they have nothing else. They're trying to deny reality but there's no evidence to support their denial. All they have to work with are lies.
And Dredge is too stupid to realize that his creationist sources are lying to him too!
What a rube!

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Message 1278 of 1429 (903523)
12-12-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1271 by xongsmith
12-12-2022 12:39 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
well,
WTF??? I'm beginning to understand why I flunked Elementary school ...
fixed it for you. no need to thank me.
How could he have flunked elementary school when he obviously never attended one?

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Message 1279 of 1429 (903529)
12-12-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Dredge
12-12-2022 9:48 AM


Re: UCD evidence
It is a LIE to say that UCD has been "established" as a "fact".
There is your lying meat-cracker religion bullshit.
The fact is established by the preponderance of the evidence to such an extent that the preponderance of the discipline considers it to be fact. All you need do to verify this is ask them.
"Oh? You mean like Project Steve - Wikipedia?" asked the universe.
Yes. That works. The theory of UCD can be used as a scientific fact, just like GR.
Your religious opinions on the issue mean nothing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1280 of 1429 (903531)
12-12-2022 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Dredge
12-12-2022 9:48 AM


Re: UCD evidence
UCD has no practical use in medical science, so only an idiot or a delusional Darwinoid would waste time on it.
You have been wasting everyone's time leading this discussion to nowhere so which one are you, idiot or delusional Darwinoid?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1281 of 1429 (903578)
12-13-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1268 by Dredge
12-10-2022 11:37 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
You think me asking for a practical use for UCD in medical science or applied biology is the same as asking for evidence of UCD itself Message 1152.
Ignoring the evidence you asked for is a classic creationist move.

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Message 1282 of 1429 (903600)
12-14-2022 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1159 by AZPaul3
11-26-2022 3:25 AM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
medicine is predicated on the relatedness of all species due to common descent.
It doesn't make any difference to medicine what the "relatedness of all species" is due to, so the "due to common descent" part of your comment is superfluous and irrelevant.
You keep insisting that UCD is useful to medicine, but you can't cite even one example to support your claim. I've pointed out that glaring flaw to you many times, but you keep mindlessly presenting the same feeble argument, as if repeating it enough times will make it true.
I'm sorry, APauling, but I've no choice but to conclude that you're a fool or you're mentally ill.
the reality of common descent
"reality"? Firstly, you're an atheist Darwinoid, so obviously your opinion of "reality" is worthless.
Secondly, UCD is merely a theory - you can't prove that it's "reality". Your ridiculous assertions are really quite APauling.

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Message 1283 of 1429 (903602)
12-14-2022 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1165 by Tanypteryx
11-26-2022 11:36 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Well said.

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Message 1284 of 1429 (903604)
12-14-2022 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1282 by Dredge
12-14-2022 8:28 AM


As Long As The Circus Is In Town
Dredge writes:
I'm sorry, APauling, but I've no choice but to conclude that you're a fool or you're mentally ill.
Why would anyone conclude that? First of it violates Forum Guidelines .
Ive got one for you. Its the same guy I showed Kleinman. Watch his Schtick And tell everyone what you think of his conclusions. Im testing the spirits. Get back to us after watching it.

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Message 1285 of 1429 (903605)
12-14-2022 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1168 by xongsmith
11-27-2022 10:20 AM


Re: UCD evidence
wrongsmith writes:
The vaccines use the RNA-DNA mechanism that was originated by the Universal Common Descent organism.
It doesn't matter how the RNA-DNA mechanism originated ... medical science will make use of the mechanism regardless.
Think about it.

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Message 1286 of 1429 (903606)
12-14-2022 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1173 by AZPaul3
11-28-2022 7:16 AM


Re: Be Forewarned
Your aptitude for comedy is as APauling as your aptitude for truth and reality.

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Dredge
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Message 1287 of 1429 (903608)
12-14-2022 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1175 by Theodoric
11-28-2022 8:08 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Theodorkic writes:
Even if your gotcha question was legitimate it would have no effect on UCD or the TOE.
Yes. I know that.
Btw, it's not "TOE" - it's ToE. Please do not make that mistake again.

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Dredge
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Message 1288 of 1429 (903609)
12-14-2022 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1175 by Theodoric
11-28-2022 8:08 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Funny cartoon. I like it.

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Message 1289 of 1429 (903610)
12-14-2022 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1178 by Tanypteryx
11-28-2022 12:20 PM


Re: Be Forewarned
Well said.

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Message 1290 of 1429 (903615)
12-14-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1282 by Dredge
12-14-2022 8:28 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
It doesn't make any difference to medicine what the "relatedness of all species" is due to,
It does matter.
quote:
Darwin’s description of “descent with modification” points to two aspects of evolution that can help us assess the matching between a prospective model species and its intended target. One is trees that represent the structure of phylogenetic relationships; the other is phenotypic traits, i.e. the unique characteristics of each species’ evolved biology and natural history. Mapping traits onto a phylogeny is the first step toward analyzing the source of similarities between a target and a potential model. Whether similar traits arise from shared ancestry or from adaptive convergence has important implications for what kinds of inferences can be justified, and for the likely translatability of findings. Evolution offers both a rich source of possible models, and guidance for choosing the best ones for a given purpose. Considering model choice from an evolutionary angle not only helps to answer the question “What species might be a good model for studying x?” but also suggests additional questions we should be asking to assess the utility of both potential and current models. Recognizing the diverse ways model organisms can function expands our search image as we seek species to study that can both extend general knowledge, and generate translatable insights relevant to human neurobiology and disease.
Selection of Models: Evolution and the Choice of Species for Translational Research - FullText - Brain, Behavior and Evolution 2019, Vol. 93, No. 2-3 - Karger Publishers
You keep insisting that UCD is useful to medicine, but you can't cite even one example to support your claim.
Anyone who happens across this thread will see who the honest people are.

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