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Author Topic:   What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?
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Message 196 of 242 (420092)
09-06-2007 6:44 AM
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    Message 197 of 242 (420117)
    09-06-2007 10:03 AM
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    09-05-2007 5:38 PM


    Re: Topic: What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?

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    Message 198 of 242 (420120)
    09-06-2007 10:20 AM
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    09-06-2007 2:37 AM


    Re: Topic: What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?
    Yessir, read "Visions of Marietta Davis," it is a fascinating account of life after death that correlates with the biblical (KJV) perfectly. It gives a clearer view. Definitely worth checking out.
    http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/....Marietta.Davis.html
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    The book goes into depth of how life here on earth was originally supposed to be a training ground for spirits. (sort of). There would be an evolution, so to speak, of never ending attainments. We will keep moving up. But this world has become static and therefore dead. Instead of trying to learn Godly things (morals) people learn unimportavnt destructie things (ToE).
    Apparently there are many different levels of Heaven, as we all have probably heard somewhere along the line. Humans from earth will go to a newly created (my inference) valley that Jesus had prepared before they go into infancy tutelage where they will be trained to live in the spiritual. Morals and thought seem to have heavy consequences in this realm. These are the essence of spiritual matters. If someone lacks desire to turn from lust, or greed, they can not possibly remain with perfect beings.
    This is an small overview of the Marietta Davis book I think everyone should read, I don't do it justice. It pretty much answers every question I have ever had about life after death.
    To directly answer the question, I like it all, because with God all things are possible.

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    Message 199 of 242 (420182)
    09-06-2007 2:48 PM
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    09-05-2007 11:45 AM


    Re: Reality and Talk
    GIA: The imperfections that we see would only be what evils have been allowed to balance our world in the way God wants.
    Ah. So you agree there are 'imperfections' that a perfect God 'allows.'
    You and the other side now agee. Thank you for your candor--and for playing.
    Group hug.
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    Message 200 of 242 (420205)
    09-06-2007 7:29 PM
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    09-06-2007 2:48 PM


    Re: Reality and Talk
    I must admit that evil exists in the world. Of this there is no doubt but it must be perfect in it's own right if it is within a Perfect system and if we say there is a God then the systems around us must by definition be Perfect.
    If not then logically there would not be a God unless He was an imperfect one and by the definition, not a God.
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    Message 201 of 242 (420206)
    09-06-2007 7:37 PM
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    09-05-2007 11:48 AM


    Re: Truth is truth
    Oh yeah.
    If I ever learn proper communication skills I will show you. Smiles.
    Children will automatically pick up some of the parents idioms. All parents should recognize that they have more impact than they think.
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    Message 202 of 242 (420207)
    09-06-2007 7:40 PM
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    09-05-2007 5:30 PM


    Re: Topic: What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?
    I have read many Bibles.
    Few give much of the lifestyle of Heaven. What do we do after all that singing of hosanna. Play cards?
    Regards
    DL

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    Message 203 of 242 (420209)
    09-06-2007 7:48 PM
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    09-06-2007 10:20 AM


    Re: Topic: What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?
    Yes, all things are possible but to know the full extent of the philosophy of God we need to know more of His intentions for man after death.
    Utopians fail all examples of a perfect state of life because of boredom.
    I was wondering how God took care of that little item.
    Regards
    DL

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    Message 204 of 242 (420275)
    09-07-2007 7:26 AM
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    09-06-2007 10:03 AM


    Re: Topic: What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?
    quote:
    The KJV, the other ones have mucho problems.
    Which KJV?

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    Message 205 of 242 (420435)
    09-07-2007 8:22 PM
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    09-06-2007 7:29 PM


    Re: Reality and Talk
    I agree that evil does exist and if there is a god, then god created it. I don't think the presence of evil proves no god but makes it difficult to imagine why god would create evil?
    What would be the purpose?
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    Message 206 of 242 (420459)
    09-07-2007 10:15 PM
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    Re: Reality and Talk
    I think the key to reasoning such things would be to define evil. For example are we looking at a personality, force or a condition?
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    Message 207 of 242 (420460)
    09-07-2007 10:19 PM
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    Evil is ...
    Evil is behavior.
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    Message 208 of 242 (420497)
    09-08-2007 8:16 AM
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    Re: Reality and Talk
    Education.
    Take away evil and we do not know what good is.
    God's first command after we leave the garden of ignorance.
    Reproduce and learn of good and evil, which basically means everything because everything has goo and evil properties. try some things and you will prove this.
    We do both of these well and therefore God does not intervene.
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    Message 209 of 242 (420498)
    09-08-2007 8:18 AM
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    Re: Reality and Talk
    Evil sits at on end of a bell curve. Good at the other.
    It is a unit of measure, not a force, not an entity.
    We place everything on this bell curve to determine where it belongs.
    Regards
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    Message 210 of 242 (420499)
    09-08-2007 8:21 AM
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    Re: Evil is ...
    And conditions and it can apply to just about any thing you can think of. The writers of the Bible recognized that that is what people did to determine the good or evil of what they saw and did in those days.
    Nothing changes, we do the same today.
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