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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3598 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
A fairly detailed story in the Miami Herald this week describes new science standards that could soon be implemented in Florida schools. The new standards specify, for the first time, that evolution be a required subject of study on which students are tested.
http://www.miamiherald.com/884/story/423070.html As you might expect, the Discovery Institute is lobbying for changes in the wording to leave room for teaching astrology--I mean, ID. _____ Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2477 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Apparently, ridicule and satire played a positive role in one dissident county.
From Wiki:
quote: Flying Spaghetti Monster - Wikipedia
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
quote:See, even IDists see no difference between ID and religion. They don't realize that making a statement like this hurts their cause.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Taz writes: See, even IDists see no difference between ID and religion. They don't realize that making a statement like this hurts their cause. It more than just hurts their cause, it's fatal. The Discovery Institute must cringe in horror as their efforts to portray ID as legitimate science are translated at the grass roots level into claims about God and Bible. --Percy
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Percy writes:
This makes me wonder. How come the DI doesn't try harder to tell their followers to stop referring to ID as religion? They've been trying very hard to convince the rest of the country that ID is not religion. Why aren't they asserting the same kind of effort on their supporters? It more than just hurts their cause, it's fatal. The Discovery Institute must cringe in horror as their efforts to portray ID as legitimate science are translated at the grass roots level into claims about God and Bible. They don't have to convince their supporters that ID is not religion. All they have to do is quietly pass a note around saying "shhhh... don't let the evil atheists know ID is religion."
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 61 From: Netherlands Joined: |
This makes me wonder. How come the DI doesn't try harder to tell their followers to stop referring to ID as religion? They've been trying very hard to convince the rest of the country that ID is not religion. Why aren't they asserting the same kind of effort on their supporters? They don't have to convince their supporters that ID is not religion. All they have to do is quietly pass a note around saying "shhhh... don't let the evil atheists know ID is religion." I think its because they feel an obligation to tell the masses that they are religious in nature, think of the whole "creation science" group, theres a lot of people out there that really think someone is more trustworthy when someone says "god in science". It would be more suspicious to the ton of believers supporting them already if they didn't every now and then talk about it being religious in nature, not scientific. I think if they really really tried to hard, that no creationist minded group of people would ever think about promoting/supporting the DI, because they don't have a creationist agenda.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
How come the DI doesn't try harder to tell their followers to stop referring to ID as religion? They've been trying very hard to convince the rest of the country that ID is not religion. Why aren't they asserting the same kind of effort on their supporters? I think this is a (the?) core point of the ID as Science vs. ID as Creationism topic. Might you care to bring this to there? Moose
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Archer writes: As you might expect, the Discovery Institute is lobbying for changes in the wording to leave room for teaching astrology--I mean, ID. I would never have expected the Religious Right to be so strong in Florida, but then I remembered Jeb Bush! I wonder if the religious right will ever evolve beyond Biblical Literalism and stifling of scientific enquiry? BTW Archer....I notice you don't come around as much. Some of us spend half our time hanging out at a new forum. If I don't see you here I'll see you there.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Teaching the present generation's mythology has always been important.....why should it be any different with ToE compared to say, Zeus?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Teaching the present generation's mythology has always been important.....why should it be any different with ToE compared to say, Zeus? Because there's evidence for ToE.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Hmmm....there is always evidence, at least in men's minds, for the things they believe.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
randman writes:
quote: That's the beauty of science: You don't have to believe. In fact, it's better if you don't. Instead, you need to get into the lab and try it for yourself. We'd love to be able to see what you come up with. And if you prove us all wrong, we'll give you the Nobel Prize. What are you waiting for? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
randman writes: Hmmm....there is always evidence, at least in men's minds, for the things they believe. This is a corollary of your, "If you were being honest..." argument. When neither side recognizes the inherent fallacy in such arguments then you get exchanges like this:
Pretty pointless. Rather than accusing the other side of foibles to which you, also being of the human race, are equally vulnerable, you might consider exploring the principles that should underlie the establishment of science standards for public schools. It might not only be productive, it would even be on-topic! Please, no replies.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Where science differs is rather than simply interpreting evidence, with all the errors and potential philosopical bias that this allows, conclusions are tested against nature by means of prediction and verification. Thus objectivity and reliability of conclusions are maximised.
ID does not incorporate this essential step. It is merely untestable interpretation of physical evidence drawn from a very obviously biased predetermined religious position. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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