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Rrhain
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Message 211 of 519 (472405)
06-22-2008 5:05 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Hyroglyphx
06-22-2008 3:42 AM


Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
quote:
As well, in lesbian relationships, there seems to be some very defined roles in the form of submissive or dominant roles. (Not always, I'm sure, but enough to notice.)
Hah! No, gay people are not engaged in psychological transference of a need to be punished or a need to dominate others. Please explain why homosexuality would lead to this but heterosexuality would not. Why is it when you think of sex with someone of the same sex, you immediately have fantasies of being tied up and raped?
quote:
How are these roles assigned?
The same way they are in heterosexual relationships. For those that do get into BD relationships, you figure out if you like being the top or the bottom or, perhaps, find you like doing both.
Are you trying to tell us something, NJ? Are you looking for a Daddy to put you in your place?
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I guess one thing that never made sense to me about homosexuality is that I noticed that in many, many cases, a male will be attracted to an effeminate male, and a female will be attracted to a female with more masculine attributes.
Right...because you have gaydar and can tell what people do in the sack just by looking at them.
Here's a hint: Those who make a display are trying to get you to notice. They are secure in themselves and don't care what you think. Because you are so obsessed about what goes on in other people's pants, you pick up on those who are trying to point it out to you and thus, you see.
However, you wind up completely overlooking all the other people because they really don't care about you.
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I began to wonder if she wasn't actually a lesbian, but was actually just hurt by members of the opposite sex, and so she contrived this alter-ego, if you will, to compensate for the pain she felt.
Right...because lesbians don't actually LIKE being lesbian. They just need to find a good man.
Tell us, NJ: Exactly what caused your heterosexuality? For all we can tell, heterosexuality is a condition in which people have a driving emotional and sexual interest in members of the opposite sex. Because of the anatomical, physiological, social, and cultural limitations involved, there are formidable obstacles to be overcome. However, many heterosexuals look upon this as a challenge and approach it with ingenuity and energy. Indeed, it can be said that most heterosexuals are obsessed with the gratification of their curious desires.
Do you think you have a hormonal imbalance? One theory advanced is that heterosexuals have an imbalance in their sex hormones, instead of the normal mixture of the two, they have an excess of one or a dearth of the other, resulting in an inability to enjoy full and satisfying relationships with their own sex.
Economic conditioning? Our society grants financial and other incentives for exclusively (i.e. neurotic) heterosexual coupling such as tax concessions. To be gay is expensive and many people simply cannot afford it.
Parental problems? In most cases of compulsive heterosexual behaviour, the parents will be found to have suffered from similar difficulties.
Childhood trauma? A bad experience with a member of the same sex while young may cause rejection of all members of the same sex through fear. The desire continues in the subconscious and emerges as a heterosexual neurosis.
Social conditioning? Many unthinking heterosexuals succumb to the daily bombardment of conditioning from the mass media and live out their lives trapped in oppressive sterotypes. Society should feel compassion for such people, not hostility, for their rejection of all those parts of the self that do conform to the "married couple" ideal is a measure of their loss of contact with their own unique sexuality.
Cultural deprivation? Most heterosexuals will be found to have come from a background in which an appreciation of the beauty of their own bodies has been ruthlessly suppressed. Hetersexual men in particular think themselves "ugly," beauty being ascribed only to women. Many psychic disorders stem from this self-rejection.
Pathological conditioning? Many heterosexuals claim that they were just "born that way." Unfortunately, this doesn't hold water. All human beings are the result of the interaction between their substance and their environment and heterosexuals, like everybody else, must share in the responsibility for their condition.
Fear of death? A terror of mortality lies beneath much heterosexual coupling. Driven to perpetuate themselves at any cost, most heterosexuals are indifferent to the prospect of the worldwide famine that will result if the present population explosion continues unchecked.
So what caused your heterosexuality, NJ?
quote:
What I am asking is, have you ever met a lesbian where you in fact questioned their actual sexuality?
No, because it isn't my place to do so. I can only live my life. Why on earth would I be obsessed about what other people do?
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Does that make any sense?
Coming from you? Yes.
They don't want to sleep with you, NJ. And you can't turn them.

Rrhain

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Fosdick 
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Message 212 of 519 (472425)
06-22-2008 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Rrhain
06-22-2008 5:05 AM


Road trip?
Rrhain writes:
One theory advanced is that heterosexuals have an imbalance in their sex hormones, instead of the normal mixture of the two, they have an excess of one or a dearth of the other, resulting in an inability to enjoy full and satisfying relationships with their own sex.
Damn it! I knew it all along. There was always something about my hormonal imbalance that made me want to love women. And it was my desire to love women that has gotten me into so much trouble, If I had know about this early on I would done something to fix it. Maybe drink a lot more cumquat cocktails or eat more Moon Pies or something else to even things out. Damn my hormones, anyway! Every women I ever loved tried to crush my nuts. If I could have found the right man with the right Hershey Highway I could have spared myself all that misery.
Rrhain, what are you doing after the forums tonight? Are you up for a late-night road trip?
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 213 of 519 (472427)
06-22-2008 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Rrhain
06-21-2008 10:38 PM


Closeted and uncloseted opinions
Rrhain writes:
Despite repeated requests to provide specifics, you haven't given a single example of how anybody would be affected by same-sex marriage.
If I asked John and Mary out in St. Louis why "same-sex marriage" would negatively affect their lives and they told me: "Because there is no such thing as 'same-sex marriage,' just as there is no such thing as 'toothless dentistry'," then why should I tell them they are wrong? And if I asked Chuck and Larry out in Seattle why "same-sex marriage" would positively affect their lives and they told me: "Because black people get to be married, too, and they also have a history abuse," the why should I tell them they are wrong?
The only thing that differentiates John and Mary's opinion on this matter from Chuck and Larry's opinion is OPINION. We are a country of opinions”personal opinions, political opinions, court opinions ” so why is a 5% popular opinion more important that than a 95% popular opinion?
"Gay marriage" opens a lot of doors: polygamy, pedophilia, incest, bestiality, post-mortem matrimony. The closets are full of this kind stuff. Remember Fibber McGee's?
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 214 of 519 (472428)
06-22-2008 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Jaderis
06-22-2008 2:53 AM


Re: Should the law marry dead people, too?
Jaderis writes:
As far as you know, was any marriage supposed to be sanctioned by the state?
No, not as far as I know. The First Amendment separates church from state. Marriage is not the rightful business of the state. That's why I have proposed limiting the state's officiating powers to civil unions. After that is accomplished then marriages of any kind become totally a non-state sanctified issue. I can live with. Why can't you?
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 215 of 519 (472430)
06-22-2008 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Rrhain
06-22-2008 5:05 AM


Rrhain writes:
Tell us, NJ: Exactly what caused your heterosexuality?
Nem Jug can't speak for himself right now, cuz he's in the slammer. But I could hazard a biological guess as to the cause of his heterosexuality. It's the same cause that gave him testicles. Case closed. But if I asked a man with testicles what caused his homosexuality and he said Mother Nature, I'd have to tell him to go right back to Mother Nature and turn in his testicles.
The real question ” the only question ” is about the cause of homosexuality (Please see On the causes of sexual orientation.)
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 216 of 519 (472436)
06-22-2008 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Taz
06-21-2008 11:03 PM


Re: Blather
Taz writes:
Hoot, I know some people that were sent to these camps and had to go through some of the procedures that Rrhain mentioned. Very unpleasant experiences.
I also understand that a root canal is an unpleasant experience. But if it brings relief then it's worth it.
”HM

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Message 217 of 519 (472438)
06-22-2008 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by bluescat48
06-21-2008 11:26 PM


Re: One of us is blind, and it ain't me
bluescat writes:
What evidence. You have supplied none. How does gay marriage affect the marriage of John & Jane?
I've said all along that you'll have to go ask John & Jane. All I know is that a whole lot John & Janes oppose gay marriage, and they believe they're just as right as anybody else.
How does gay marriage affect social security?
Case #1: John, who is 80 and dying, wants to give his friend Jane, who is healthy but poor, his SS benefits when he passes away. So they get married just in time to make that happen.
Case #2: Chuck, who is 80 and dying, wants to give to his friend Larry, who is healthy but poor, his SS benefits when he passes away. So they get "married" just in time to make that happen, owning to some special law that says "same-sex marriage" should be honored by the SS system.
Conclusion: The SS system will be worse off when Chuck and Larry dip their stinkin' fingers into it.
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 218 of 519 (472441)
06-22-2008 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Jaderis
06-22-2008 1:36 AM


Re: Shocked genitals
Jaderis writes:
What makes you think that this torture makes gay people become straight?
What is your argument here?
It has already been proven that you can pound gayness out of a gay man but you can't pound blankness out of black man. I think the torture works for gay men, but I don't advocate anything more painful than having to look at Playboy centerfolds. However, you can't possible mean that the torture blacks have endured is somehow equivalent to the torture gays have endured by not being allowed to get "married."
”HM

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BeagleBob
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Message 219 of 519 (472443)
06-22-2008 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 1:20 PM


Re: Shocked genitals
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It has already been proven that you can pound gayness out of a gay man but you can't pound blankness out of black man.
Because severe psychological trauma and aversion therapy is perfectly synonymous with healthy heterosexuality.
Edited by BeagleBob, : No reason given.

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Message 220 of 519 (472445)
06-22-2008 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Jaderis
06-22-2008 2:17 AM


Re: Don't civil unions do enough for legal purposes?
Jaderis writes:
I don't need nor want to be "cured." I do not have a disease.
If there was a "cure" for homosexuality right now I would "choose" to remain a lesbian.
And I would honor that choice. It's entirely OK with me if you're a lesbian. However, you have just sealed the case for gayness-by-choice. Does it matter that nature made you gay if that's what you'd choose anyway? So it's choice after all. But I'm OK with that. However, it doesn't help your argument that nature made you gay and you didn't have anything to do with it.
”HM

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bluescat48
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Message 221 of 519 (472451)
06-22-2008 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 1:10 PM


Re: One of us is blind, and it ain't me
Case #1: John, who is 80 and dying, wants to give his friend Jane, who is healthy but poor, his SS benefits when he passes away. So they get married just in time to make that happen.
Case #2: Chuck, who is 80 and dying, wants to give to his friend Larry, who is healthy but poor, his SS benefits when he passes away. So they get "married" just in time to make that happen, owning to some special law that says "same-sex marriage" should be honored by the SS system.
Conclusion: The SS system will be worse off when Chuck and Larry dip their stinkin' fingers into it.
So then why don't we just make all marriage illegal so Social security won't be affected at all.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Rrhain
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Message 222 of 519 (472454)
06-22-2008 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 11:30 AM


Hoot Mon responds to me:
quote:
quote:
Despite repeated requests to provide specifics, you haven't given a single example of how anybody would be affected by same-sex marriage.
If I asked John and Mary out in St. Louis why "same-sex marriage" would negatively affect their lives and they told me: "Because there is no such thing as 'same-sex marriage,' just as there is no such thing as 'toothless dentistry'," then why should I tell them they are wrong?
Because clearly they are by simple inspection. A bunch of people of the same sex just got married.
At any rate, that isn't an answer. You were asked how you would be affected by the neighbor's marriage. That you don't think it exists is irrelevant because certainly the government thinks it exists and they're the only ones who matter since they are the ones who confer the rights and responsibilities.
quote:
And if I asked Chuck and Larry out in Seattle why "same-sex marriage" would positively affect their lives and they told me: "Because black people get to be married, too, and they also have a history abuse," the why should I tell them they are wrong?
Nobody would say that. If you asked two people how marriage would positively affect their lives, they would tell you about things like knowing they will be there to take care of each other for the rest of their lives, that they would be secure in their families, etc.
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We are a country of opinions”personal opinions, political opinions, court opinions ” so why is a 5% popular opinion more important that than a 95% popular opinion?
Because we have a Constitution that says that it doesn't matter what your opinion is. It only matters what the law says. We are a nation of laws, not men.
When Loving v. Virginia was decided, more people were against interracial marriage than are currently against same-sex marriage.
Are you saying Loving v. Virginia was wrongly decided? The SCOTUS was wrong to "defy the will of the majority"?
quote:
"Gay marriage" opens a lot of doors: polygamy, pedophilia, incest, bestiality, post-mortem matrimony.
How does same-sex marriage lead to this while mixed-sex marriage does not? Is there a particular reason why when you think of having sex with someone of the same sex, you immediately start having fantasies of raping your dead, infant sons and their dogs?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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lyx2no
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Message 223 of 519 (472456)
06-22-2008 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 1:29 PM


Re: Don't civil unions do enough for legal purposes?
You have two legs. If you do not want to be cured of the that condition do you consider your having two legs by choice or was it an act of mother Nature?

Kindly
There is a spider by the water pipe.

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Rrhain
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Message 224 of 519 (472458)
06-22-2008 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 11:48 AM


Hoot Mon responds to Jaderis:
quote:
The First Amendment separates church from state. Marriage is not the rightful business of the state. That's why I have proposed limiting the state's officiating powers to civil unions. After that is accomplished then marriages of any kind become totally a non-state sanctified issue. I can live with. Why can't you?
Because you don't really believe that. Instead, you want two contracts: One for mixed-sex couples called "marriage" and one for same-sex couples called "civil union."
You claim that you want to get the government "out of the marriage business" but that clearly isn't true. That's why you never bring this up except when the subject is same-sex marriage.
You have yet to explain why it would be better to have fifty states and the federal government rewrite literally thousands of laws to remove the word "marriage" and replace it with the words "civil union" rather than simply recognize that marriage applies to all.
That's why you keep referring to your three "marriages" rather than to your three "civil unions." If you truly had the courage of your convictions, you would apply them to yourself. Charity begins at home, you know.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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BeagleBob
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Message 225 of 519 (472460)
06-22-2008 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 1:29 PM


Re: Don't civil unions do enough for legal purposes?
quote:
And I would honor that choice. It's entirely OK with me if you're a lesbian. However, you have just sealed the case for gayness-by-choice. Does it matter that nature made you gay if that's what you'd choose anyway? So it's choice after all. But I'm OK with that. However, it doesn't help your argument that nature made you gay and you didn't have anything to do with it.
”HM
Wait, wait.
Let's look at it this way. Michael Jackson chose to go through a series of plastic surgeries to become white. This doesn't mean that ethnicity is a "choice." Hell, this method of argument can be applied to just about anything that human beings are innately born with.
Just because the ability to change yourself exists ex post facto doesn't make the original nature (in this case, homosexuality) a "choice."
It's a horrible, horrible argument.

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