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subbie
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Message 46 of 66 (397183)
04-24-2007 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by kuresu
04-24-2007 8:39 PM


Re: the big crunch?
Well, I certainly expect that anyone reading this will be long dead before any crunch comes. Whether the species will be extinct, or evolved out of existence, is not known. This is one of the very fruitful areas of research that needs to be explored regarding Substantium that shows what a vital scientific theory this is.
I haven't fully explored the manner in which Substantium works at a distance, the force of its pull, whether there are other objects or substances that might interfere with it across interstellar, and intergalactic, space, etc, etc, etc. Without knowing a great deal more about these details, I cannot make any estimate whether the force of Substantium is enough to pull everything back or not or, if it is, how long that process would take. As I am sure you can see, vast amounts of study, and funding, are needed to answer these important questions.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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kuresu
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Message 47 of 66 (397186)
04-24-2007 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by subbie
04-24-2007 8:52 PM


Re: the big crunch?
Cool. I'll donate 397,745,554,983,388,012.84 Pffrrts to your cause.
Down with the establishment!!!
ABE:
for those who recall, that amount is equal to .67 USD. however, thanks to a drastically falling Pffrrt value (exceeding the fall of our very own USD), it's now worth . . . 70 cents (.70 USD)
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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Parasomnium
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Message 48 of 66 (397276)
04-25-2007 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by kuresu
04-24-2007 9:04 PM


Update
kuresu writes:
that amount is equal to .67 USD. however, thanks to a drastically falling Pffrrt value (exceeding the fall of our very own USD), it's now worth . . . 70 cents (.70 USD)
It is my impression - but I could be mistaken - that if the value of the pffrrt falls, and this fall exceeds that of the US dollar, then the amount of pffrrts you have, expressed in US dollars, will be less than before. Either that, or the push and pull of Substantium through the relatively thin crust of Vmit has some very strange effects on the local economy and/or the meaning of the word 'inflation', something that perhaps merits an investigation of its own.
Anyway, in my further dealings to secure funds, and to inhale the lovely smells of rural Vmit, I left the capital Splat for the countryside, driving a beautiful automobile, a locally produced and much appreciated "Bweeh". I rented this car from Mr. Brtánd's brother-in-law for the handsome - if cumbersome to write - price of 17.665.438.978.094.654,16 pffrrts, which, fortunately, can easily be paid out of the inflationary gain Kuresu mentioned. It is a happy fact that due to the special geological circumstances in this part of the world, having to do with the relative proximity of Substantium, a vehicle can simply be given a push to get it going, and one actually has to apply the brakes continuously to keep it from accelerating. To come to a full stop, one has to do a carefully timed 180o handbrake turn. Although this means that fuel plays no role of significance in the country's economy, it gives the traffic here a bit of an awkward character, and has resulted in the roads of Vmit being covered with the actual stuff of almost the same name. It's a unique experience, shall we say.
My travels took me to the hills of Ffárt province, where, I was advised, the locals have a centuries-old tradition of investing money in highly speculative and dubious enterprises. This tradition enables one to extract money from passers-by, simply by telling them a concocted story about an impossible scheme that may or may not return a small profit in the unforeseeable future. The tradition has it that the more implausible the story, the more money will be invested. Initially, my story about the mining of Substantium little impressed the locals, until I had the lucky brainwave to mention a possible plan B. The Ffárts, being of a different mental disposition than the inhabitants of Splat, reacted with a spurt of enthusiasm and instantly started to look for wheelbarrows. In short, another 249.569.224.767.298.331,36 pffrrts - about US$ 0,44 at the current exchange rate - has been added to our account.

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Message 49 of 66 (397298)
04-25-2007 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Parasomnium
04-25-2007 10:32 AM


Re: Update
I fear I must caution you not to spread Plan B around, even if you see a nominal short term gain. While it may be true that it helped in the community of Ffárt, we must take care that even that one time disclosure doesn't get spread around the countryside. While I know nothing more about Ffárt than you have shared here, I have concerns that they may not be capable of keeping it secret. They don't sound at first blush like the sort who will keep things in well.
A word to the wise.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Neutralmind
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Message 50 of 66 (397300)
04-25-2007 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by subbie
04-24-2007 8:04 PM


Substantium is the strongest force
May I suggest a theory, not even much of a theory as of scientific fact! That galaxies are held in form by some kind of unkown matter. It's illusionary to call this matter "dark matter" when substantium has much more scientific basis for existence. Of course the force in the center of galaxies cannot be as powerful as substantium on earth, because we know and science tells us that earth is in the center of all. We even see galaxies being pulled towards us!
So, the force that holds galaxies together might be Substantium's little brother, Subtum, which we have all the reason to believe exists. It is not even close to as powerful as Substantium but powerful enough to keep galaxies in together.

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subbie
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Message 51 of 66 (397321)
04-25-2007 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Neutralmind
04-25-2007 12:29 PM


What else have you got for proof?
I'm intrigued.
On the one hand, I see no need to invoke the existence of your Subtum, since the known effect of mass locally focusing the force of Substantium is sufficient to explain the observed phenomenon you describe. On the other hand, I'm not one to stifle scientific inquiry. After all, if not for free inquiry, I wouldn't have stumbled onto the truth of Substantium. So I will follow your further thoughts and developments along this line with some interest.
Best of luck!

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Neutralmind
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Message 52 of 66 (397344)
04-25-2007 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by subbie
04-24-2007 8:04 PM


Substantium does in fact draw these other objects toward the Earth, but that effect is still outweighed by the force of the initial "explosion" that created the universe.
Are you saying that the presence of Substantium doesn't already refute the big bang? If so, how is substantium only found on earth?

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Parasomnium
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Message 53 of 66 (397358)
04-25-2007 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by subbie
04-25-2007 12:13 PM


Plan B is safe
subbie writes:
[...] we must take care that even that one time disclosure doesn't get spread around the countryside [...] I have concerns that they may not be capable of keeping it secret
Your concern is noted, but I can assure you that it is unnecessary. You see, since we are dealing with a local tradition here, and the people are very aware of it being a tradition, they do not for a moment believe the story I told them. This is exactly what makes them so very eager to invest. The less likely an investment is to return a profit, the more they will want to pour their money into it. It's tradition, and these people are really suckers for tradition.
On top of that, Ffártsy is the one Yahooslavonian dialect, out of a total of 397, that has no grammatical form for telling lies. As they think that the only way the investment can be as risky as they would like it to be, per tradition, is for everything I told them to be a complete and utter lie, including everything about plan B, and since all Ffárts only speak Ffártsy, they will not be able to tell anyone about it. The very words "plan B" will not pass their lips, trust me.

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Message 54 of 66 (397374)
04-25-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Neutralmind
04-25-2007 3:09 PM


No, Substantium dooesn't refute the big bang, not at all.
Substantium is only found on Earth because in the early moments of the universe, all of the atoms of Substantium were drawn together by their mutual attractive force to one location. Over time, as this attractive force pulled matter towards it and our planet was formed, as well as the other planets of our solar system. However, this accumulation of matter took time, because the force of Substantium had to overcome the initial force from the big bang that tended to push all matter outwards.
All of this rather elegantly explains how the Earth can be the center of the universe, but still be billions of years younger than other objects. The Substantium was always there, just as it is now. It just took a great deal of time for enough matter to collect around the Substantium to create a star, planets, and the other objects that constitute our solar system.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 55 of 66 (397375)
04-25-2007 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Parasomnium
04-25-2007 3:57 PM


Re: Plan B is safe
Well, you haven't let me down yet, and are currently my leading fundraiser, so I guess I'll just have to trust you on that one.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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AZPaul3
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Message 56 of 66 (397392)
04-25-2007 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by subbie
04-25-2007 5:35 PM


The Substantium was always there, just as it is now. It just took a great deal of time for enough matter to collect around the Substantium to create a star...
If Substantium collected matter around it to form a STAR then that STAR is the center of the universe, isn't it! But we know this is not the case, don't we! So your Substantium thing is bogus pap conceived by a demented warped little mind. The star was formed by the effects of GRAVITY accreting the mass, the same way this planet, the true center of the universe, was formed. Your Substantium proposal, or rather, preposterous-al, is, well, preposterous!
This “Substantium Lensing Effect” your pointy little head somehow pulled from the ether (probably literally) to explain why other stars, galaxies, apples, stay together is just pure unadulterated poop. You cite the supposition that this effect is overridden by the force of the Big Bang. This is a telltale sign of your incompetanceness. It is GRAVITY that not just holds these bodies together but is responsible for the present accelerating expansion of the entire universe! You should know that in a negative vacuum environment GRAVITY becomes REPULSIVE! It makes things expand AWAY from each other! While gravity attracts mass to mass in local space around stars and planets and apples, in the negative vacuum of interstellar space gravity pushes instead of pulls. It blows instead of sucks!
Get a clue before you pop your cork like this.
Now, you want the real power of Substantium? You want to know the true worth of this wondrous substance? Mix it with a little Iron! Now see what happens!
You run off to foreign lands grubbing for pennies (OK, Pffrrts) when you are holding the key to the wealth of breakfast in your very hands! With Chives! Did you hear that? Are you so lost you can no longer comprehend? WITH CHIVES!
Sheesh . the things I have to do for humanity!

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Parasomnium
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Message 57 of 66 (397465)
04-26-2007 3:03 AM
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04-25-2007 7:41 PM


A Polite Protest
AZPaul3 writes:
Now, you want the real power of Substantium? You want to know the true worth of this wondrous substance? Mix it with a little Iron! Now see what happens!
Sir,
I must protest. Mixing substantium with iron has no effect other than that the iron will want to separate from it as soon as this ill-conceived amalgam is formed. This is due to the Universal Principle Of The Splitting Up Of Everything, But Mainly Marriages, Churches, And Schools Of Thought, (U.P.O.T.S.U.O.E.B.M.M.C.A.S.O.T.) as everyone with even the slightest pinch of common sense knows. So, with all due respect (i.e. none), I must conclude that your suggesting this mix is no doubt due to the uncanny pseudomindlikenessity of the grindingly inefficient processing that takes place in whatever malfunctioning entity passes for your brain. In other words, sir, you need help.
Yours politely,
The Self-Appointed Foreign Liaison Officer in the Former Yahooslavonian Republic of Teknkollor-Vmit,
Parasomnium, CUI, Leading Fund Raiser, Licensed Bweeh Driver. (Passed with flying colours. Literally)
Edited by Parasomnium, : added quote and minor changes.

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subbie
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Message 58 of 66 (397503)
04-26-2007 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Parasomnium
04-26-2007 3:03 AM


Re: A Polite Protest
Well stated.
I hereby make your appointment official, and further decree that you are the Official Nut Dismisser as well.
{seal}

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Parasomnium
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Message 59 of 66 (397517)
04-26-2007 10:40 AM
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04-26-2007 9:37 AM


A disconcerting report
subbie writes:
I hereby make your appointment official, and further decree that you are the Official Nut Dismisser as well.
Thank you, I am very honoured.
In the mean time, I submit a follow-up report which may have some serious repercussions for our enterprise. Please judge for yourself.
The second-largest town of Ffárt province is Pfwpp. It was in this town that your correspondent did a rather alarming discovery. Still a bit weak in the stomach after a two hours drive in my rented Bweeh, I was in search of a pharmacy for some Alka-Seltzer or something. I chanced upon a small shop hugging the medieval cathedral that proudly adorns the old town square, with the sign "Apotk" on the outside. In the shop window I noticed a small vial that bore the obscure inscription
"Pávlovi Solzci" ( Prnomály Hiposlfitszci Akwá [ Pn2(SO2)3.H2O ] )
The name Pavlov rang a bell of course (!), and the term "Prnomály" also sounded oddly familiar. So I entered the shop and inquired about the contents of this mysteriously labeled bottle. The proprietor of the shop told me that the bottle was the only thing that had been rescued from a fire that had destroyed the laboratory of a Russian scientist working in Pfwpp around the turn of the previous century. After the fire, the scientist departed from the town, together with a dog, leaving nothing behind but a trail of drool. They were never heard of again.
When I asked the shop owner if he could tell me what "Prnomály" meant, the old man betrayed a passable knowledge of chemistry by divulging that it was the Vmitian name of the chemical element Paranormalium, something I had already suspected.
With a shock I realized that if this bottle contained paranormalium, then this means that as early as some time around 1900 a certain quantity of substantium must already have been present at the surface of the earth, away from the main bulk at its centre. At present, I cannot fully comprehend the consequences of this discovery, but I'm thinking: Substantium and its gravitation-like effects, around 1900, the Wright Brothers' first motorized flight of 1903 (in a vehicle heavier than air!), Einsteins paradigm shift of 1905, & cetera, & cetera. Hence my report, which I hope will trigger a response from the experts.
Yours truly,
Parasomnium, CUI, LFR, OND, & cetera.
P.S.: The vial is in my possession. My interest in it provoked the shop owner to raise the price beyond the means available to me at that moment, so I took the liberty to pocket it when he didn't look. This means I may have to go into hiding for a while, but I expect this won't hamper my communications with you.

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Wounded King
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Message 60 of 66 (397533)
04-26-2007 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Parasomnium
04-26-2007 10:40 AM


Re: A disconcerting report
You're not really Thomas Pynchon by any chance?
TTFN,
WK

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