Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that

Sorry, human beings have been regarded as property until very recently. that includes wives, children and slaves. And they still are in other parts of the world. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Innocence or guilt is irrelevant because the fetus was considered to be property. Property is neither innocent nor guilty. You "understanding" is often contradictory to what the Bible actually says.And you haven't backed up your claim that, "The OT doesn't regard killing the fetus as murder but it does regard it as a child."

Yes indeed. That idea came from the Bible - and was rejected by our increasingly-secular society.

No it did not come from the Bible, the Bible merely reflects the practices of the times, the entire world is fallen in reality, though we onlyh get to know about it thanks to the Bible, and being fallen ALL cultures everywhere always have treated women children and slaves as property. Women in unChristianized cultures are still suffering from the curse of the Fall, and slavery has been practiced worldwide throughout history.

And those practices were all justified with quotes from the Bible. And you're still doing it.

Justifying it? Learn to read!

Yes. You have justified slavery yourself, using the Bible, right on this very forum.

As I said learn to read.

I did read. And everybody else can read too, so they know what the Bible says and they know what you said. You have used the Bible to justify slavery, as I said.

No you are misreading the Bible and misreading me. As usual. The Bible does its teaching within the normal human cultural context, it does not justify any of that in so doing, in fact if you do know how to read, which you've shown many times that you don't but in case you ever learn how, you may notice that God's law provides for measures that reduce the effects of the fallen culture by humanizing the slavery practices and so on. Of course you don't know how to read so this will fall on deaf ears in your case but perhaps someone else will have ears to hear. If not, oh well.

Aaaannd... here we go again. Isn't it weird that you are constantly defending killing people, Faith? The atheists are defending life while you are just Death's cheerleader on this forum. You personally have defended the killing of the unborn and children to me on this very forum on multiple occasions. I'm thinking specifically about the Flood and Jericho. I would truly love to hear you defending life on occasion.

It makes me laugh when you think you can overrule Jesus.

Oh, you mean like killing the first born male child of an Egyptian human and Egyptian animal? You mean like that?

She can't because its indefensible.

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Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
Tear it down, they cried,
tear it down to its foundations!
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

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God doesn't need abortions, He is perfectly "happy" to seize infants and smash their skulls against rocks.

Yea but those Egyptian kids where punks that dint want to believe in god. So murdering them all is ok.What about Job, the guy was believing and worshipping god. And god went to the DEVIL to brag about him. They had a bet the devil killed his children and was permitted to do so by god. But that's alright cause in the end Job got a new children to replace the old ones. So according to the bibles morals its all squared away.