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fallacycop
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Message 106 of 341 (488318)
11-09-2008 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 8:11 PM


Re: AMERICA'S STEALTH PRESIDENT
Most who voted for him don't know beans about his ambitions/plans or just don't care. Stealth requires research and study. You go by the givens, i.e. his speeches, and other communication, his history, his associates, his mentors, and the other givens in his life, such as his Muslim heritage. There's plenty of it out there for verification. Some, of course, is false or unverifiable. You itemize what is credible and go figure.
You forgot the part where you let your imagination run completely out of control and then confuse mere conjectures with fact and top it off with insane denial of all evidence against it.

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Message 107 of 341 (488319)
11-09-2008 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by fallacycop
11-09-2008 8:30 PM


Re: Yada
fallacy.. writes:
You forgot the part where you let your imagination run completely out of control and then confuse mere conjectures with fact and top it off with insane denial of all evidence against it.
Yada,yada. Now that you have that personal attack posted, anything of substance to say?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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fallacycop
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Message 108 of 341 (488322)
11-09-2008 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 8:36 PM


Re: Yada
Yada,yada. Now that you have that personal attack posted, anything of substance to say?
To what end, Buz? Nothing anybody says has the slightest chance of convincing you that you are wrong. You stated that Obama's choice of a jew for a top position of his administration was a smart way to desgise his real intent to weaken the state of Israel. That makes no freaking sense.

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Buzsaw
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Message 109 of 341 (488323)
11-09-2008 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Chiroptera
11-09-2008 1:41 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Chiroptera, I don't rule out conspiracy. History is rife with conspiracies. They succeed when the sentinels are asleep at their posts and the folks are asleep.
Yes, I am convinced of conspiracy here. It may not appear so on the short haul, but the moles are busy under the surface chewing away at the root system and the leaves are beginning to wilt.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 110 of 341 (488324)
11-09-2008 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by fallacycop
11-09-2008 8:48 PM


Re: Yada
I gave my take on the response, Fallicycop. That's it, for what it's worth to you. If you care to respond to the specifics of my message, fine. If not, why not forget it and move on to something of significance and topic worthy?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 111 of 341 (488325)
11-09-2008 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Blue Jay
11-09-2008 7:39 PM


Re: More Stealth?
Bluejay writes:
Weren't there allegations that Obama had received foreign contributions? My parents were on about that for awhile (but, I've kind of stopped listening to them when they talk about politics: they're fundamentalist Christian conspiracy theorists, like Buzz).
Bluejay, someday perhaps you will mature like your parents and become wise to what is likely going on. All Obama would've needed to do if he wanted to quell these allegations is to be as open as the McCain campaign was regarding donor lists. All of his oil rich Muslim nation supporters could have found ways to break up large blocks of support $$ into donations small enough to be legal. Maybe not, but if he were not STEALTH, he could have been open with the folks and shown himself to be honest and trustworthy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Blue Jay
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Message 112 of 341 (488326)
11-09-2008 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 9:05 PM


Re: More Stealth?
Hi, Buzz.
Buzsaw writes:
All Obama would've needed to do if he wanted to quell these allegations is to be as open as the McCain campaign was regarding donor lists.
It's easy to be open about your associations when you purposefully shun everybody that might make you look bad, the way Republicans do. Of course, I'm sure you remember the part from the New Testament where the Pharisees were smearing Jesus about who He hung out with, right?:
quote:
16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2)
Maybe someday you will mature and realize that your (and Republicans') behavior parallels that of the Pharisees, and not of Jesus.

-Bluejay
Darwin loves you.

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fallacycop
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Message 113 of 341 (488330)
11-09-2008 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 8:54 PM


Re: Yada
I gave my take on the response, Fallicycop. That's it, for what it's worth to you. If you care to respond to the specifics of my message, fine. If not, why not forget it and move on to something of significance and topic worthy?
I'm sorry Buz, it's hard for me to resist the temptation to pull your leg when you make youself such an easy target by making outrageously ridiculous statements such as that one about the jew in Obama's administration beeing a strategic distraction from his real intentions towards Israel. I'll try to sit on my hand in the future next time you tempt me like that. I'm not making any promisses, though.

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Rrhain
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Message 114 of 341 (488333)
11-10-2008 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 9:05 PM


Buzsaw writes:
quote:
All Obama would've needed to do if he wanted to quell these allegations is to be as open as the McCain campaign was regarding donor lists.
Right. Let's just violate our ethical standards because a group of people who have a long history of screaming in fake outrage over non-existent problems are whining.
quote:
All of his oil rich Muslim nation supporters could have found ways to break up large blocks of support $$ into donations small enough to be legal.
No, they couldn't. There are plenty of checks in the system to prevent this sort of thing. Are you insinuating that the FEC is incapable of doing its job? You've already seemed to think they were incapable of determining Obama's place of birth, proving that he is a natural-born citizen of the US and thus qualified to be President. Now you're saying they are incapable of handling money trails?
quote:
but if he were not STEALTH, he could have been open with the folks and shown himself to be honest and trustworthy.
Or maybe he just has has a stronger grasp on morality than you do.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Message 115 of 341 (488334)
11-10-2008 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Rrhain
11-10-2008 12:52 AM


Or maybe he just has has a stronger grasp on morality than you do.
My cat has a stronger grasp of morality than Buz,

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Huntard
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Message 116 of 341 (488339)
11-10-2008 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Buzsaw
11-09-2008 8:11 PM


Re: AMERICA'S STEALTH PRESIDENT
Buzsaw writes:
Most who voted for him don't know beans about his ambitions/plans or just don't care. Stealth requires research and study.
Please show the results of this study. Again, evidence please, no assertions.
You go by the givens, i.e. his speeches, and other communication, his history, his associates, his mentors, and the other givens in his life, such as his Muslim heritage.
NONE of which point to what you are claiming. And for the umpteenth time now, he's NOT a Muslim. Not that that would matter anyway.
There's plenty of it out there for verification.
Then please produce it.
Some, of course, is false or unverifiable. You itemize what is credible and go figure.
And how do you determine what is credible? You go with your gut feeling? Or do you actually search for supporting evidence.
Hunter, your signature says you hunt for truth.
It sure does.
If that's the case why are you going at this with your eyes closed?
I'm not.
Did you bother to link into the UTUBE sites which I cited?
As a matter of fact I did, and they are ALL assertions. NOT ONE provided actual evidence for what they claimed.
It appears that either you haven't yet learned how and where to find truth or that you really don't want to acknowledge the truth.
Like I said, I have indeed not seen ANY evidence for what you claim for Obama, that is why I asked you to provide it, please do so.

I hunt for the truth

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anglagard
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Message 117 of 341 (488340)
11-10-2008 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Rahvin
11-10-2008 1:14 AM


On the Morality of Household Pets
Rahvin writes:
My cat has a stronger grasp of morality than Buz,
Your cat probably does not judge other cats by the color of their fur, the accident of birth in a given geographic location, or the supposed quality of their parentage. I think Buz could learn a lot from cats, dogs, and even (in some cases) people.
Edited by anglagard, : had to qualify the term people as some do all the above.
Edited by anglagard, : Always like to accommodate the man with a post title

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Straggler
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Message 118 of 341 (488355)
11-10-2008 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by fallacycop
11-09-2008 6:56 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Churchs can't contribute either. And sendding money to someone (that can contribute) to have them contribute in your behalf is also ilegal. (What? didn't you think they would have thought of that?)
All fair points. The system seems watertight to dubious and illegal contributions from overseas.
Just testing

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Jazzns
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Message 119 of 341 (488374)
11-10-2008 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Straggler
11-10-2008 10:34 AM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
I am not sure, but I think you can donate to certain advocacy groups. So in the case of a bet with buz you could donate a paycheck to Freedoms Watch which is about as fascist, neo-conservative as you can get.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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onifre
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Message 120 of 341 (488378)
11-10-2008 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Straggler
11-10-2008 10:34 AM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Ok Straggler forget donations, lets make it a bet involving ridicule, how 'bout if you lose you have to put a poster of GWB and Rush Limbaugh* in your living room for 2 months?
However, if Obama is not the extremist Buz thinks of him as, then Buz must put a poster of two gay men kissing in his living room for 2 months?
This will disinvolve you both of any illegal activity, and since we will require pictures from the loser, it will be a great source of laughs for those of us here at EvC. What do you say?
*Rush could be substituted for Carl Rove or Donald Rumsfeld...(GWB a must though.)

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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