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Topic: Archaeopteryx
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Primordial Egg
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Message 1 of 12 (21856)
11-08-2002 8:01 AM
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Hi All, I'm new to the forum - v. interested in the debates going on here, although some of the biochemical ones are a slightly beyond my ken  My personal position is atheist evolutionist (creation-denier?), very much in the rational mould but given that I'm no hotshot in paleantology (that includes being able to spell it!  ), biochemistry, biology et al my purpose here is more to learn (from both sides) and provoke debate than to impart any pearls of wisdom of my own  That said, the first thing I was wondering is that there seems to be much debate as to whether archaeopteryx was a transitional form or not. What do the folks here think? PE [This message has been edited by Primordial Egg, 11-08-2002]
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Hi Prime, Since creationists will simply deny the possibility that archeopteryx is a transitional, perhaps a pertinent question would be; What would you expect a transitional fossil between birds & reptiles to look like? Mark ------------------ Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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John
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Message 3 of 12 (21865)
11-08-2002 8:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by mark24
11-08-2002 8:15 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
Hi Prime, Since creationists will simply deny the possibility that archeopteryx is a transitional, perhaps a pertinent question would be; What would you expect a transitional fossil between birds & reptiles to look like? Mark
duh..... a snake with wings!!!!  ------------------ http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Quetzal
Member (Idle past 5903 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 01-09-2002
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Message 4 of 12 (21877)
11-08-2002 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 3 by John
11-08-2002 8:16 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by John: duh..... a snake with wings!!!! [/B][/QUOTE] Oh, you mean it looks like a quetzal? 
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John
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Message 5 of 12 (21879)
11-08-2002 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Quetzal
11-08-2002 11:47 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzal:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by John: duh..... a snake with wings!!!! [/B][/QUOTE] Oh, you mean it looks like a quetzal? [/B][/QUOTE] I've always wondered if your name was based on that critter. ------------------ http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Quetzal
Member (Idle past 5903 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 01-09-2002
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Message 6 of 12 (21888)
11-08-2002 3:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by John
11-08-2002 12:03 PM
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Ain't Pharomachrus mocino the coolest thing on two wings?
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Flamingo Chavez
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Message 7 of 12 (38070)
04-25-2003 5:32 PM
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YES! By the way, my school has a campus in Costa Rica called QERC. The Quetzal Education and Research Center.
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Quetzal
Member (Idle past 5903 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 01-09-2002
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YES! By the way, my school has a campus in Costa Rica called QERC. The Quetzal Education and Research Center.
In Monteverde? Costa Rica has a southern subspecies ( P. m. costaricenses). Once you hit north-central Nicaragua through Guatemala etc you get the northern subspecies ( P. m. mocino). I've got incredible video tape of a flying male quetzal, and of a nestling from Cerro Kilambe Biological Preserve (Nicaragua). I love those birds.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 9 of 12 (38137)
04-27-2003 3:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Quetzal
04-27-2003 3:36 AM
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If thery're so cool, maybe we could see some pictures? I for one didn't know that animals called "Quetzals" actually existed (I thought they were mythological beasts as well as maybe certain pterodactyls?) Of course, the amount of stuff I don't know is quite a bit.
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 10 of 12 (38139)
04-27-2003 4:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
04-27-2003 3:41 AM
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Quetzal photo
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If thery're so cool, maybe we could see some pictures?
See Page not found – Cloud Forest Alive Cheers, Minnemooseus stupideus
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Flamingo Chavez
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Message 11 of 12 (38150)
04-27-2003 12:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Quetzal
04-27-2003 3:36 AM
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I'm not sure where it is exactly. I do know its in the cloud rainforest next to a volcano (its name has something to do with mountain of death?). My knowledge has been streched to the extreme on its locatio, mainly because I've never been there. The summer after next I'll spend 9 weeks down there studying. In adition to any research that I do, I'll be setting uup a new platform. The reason I've been tasked with this is because of my expertise with vertical and horizontal rope systems (it helps to be an avid vertical caver). Its like a dream come true.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Quetzal photo
Pretty.
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