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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science
inkorrekt
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Message 167 of 203 (292480)
03-05-2006 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by ReverendDG
03-05-2006 4:10 PM


Re: oh boy!
Your disbelief does not make anything wrong.You do not have to beleive the Bible at all.
This will not change anything. Yes, the Liberal wings of the presbyterian church, Lutheran Church, Episcopalian church and the methodist church do not believe that Bible is the true word of God. Did you know that they are losing their membership drastically and the membership in the Evangelical Church is multiplying? This is because of the false teaching and disbelief. LAtest news is that the Episcopalian Church is splitting and the orthodox ministers and the congregations who believe Bible to be the true word of God are disassociating themselves from the Episcopalian church and are associating with AFrican and Aglican Episcopalian church.
You are free to believe whatever you want to. You can even believe Dan Brown's FICTION, Da Vinci Code. That does not change The authenticity of the Bible one bit. Many kings and rulers tried to destroy this book. They all failed. Inspite of all these, Bible is still a best seller. People are still searching.
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inkorrekt
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Message 168 of 203 (292486)
03-05-2006 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by crashfrog
03-04-2006 6:05 PM


Re: oh boy!
Alright, in spite of everything you say, I have a question for you.When are you going to show us the missing link?
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ReverendDG
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Message 169 of 203 (292557)
03-05-2006 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by inkorrekt
03-05-2006 5:21 PM


Re: oh boy!
this is is really off topic and unsupported by any evidence
as per the topic: the fact is ID doesn't explain anything better that current theories do, nor does it produce good science. I mean what would it intail - some intellegence some how in some unknown way produced the universe in an unexplained fashion - more than likely it was god - even if you use no god in the storie it teachs nothing that current science teachs

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ramoss
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Message 170 of 203 (292643)
03-06-2006 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by ReverendDG
03-05-2006 11:13 PM


Re: oh boy!
I think the point is that Intelligent Design doesn't explain anything on it's own. It has no evidence for it. It has no predictive powers. It is a statement of faith by some believers who want to believe that 'God did it'.
It's entire scientific existance is based on attacking evolution, usually a strawman of evolution. For example, the insistnace that
a 'missing link' has to be produced shows that there is a lack of understanding of that 'missing links' are merely a media term, since
all fossils are transitional (unless the whole family went extinct).
When a transitional fossil is found between two other types of forms, that isn't a 'missing link' in the eyes of the creationist, .. but it makes two more 'gaps' where they insist on knowing what the missing link is.
If/when 'I.D.' can come up with evidence FOR it's hypothesis, rather than rely on 'Gee, it's too complicated for me to understand, it must be god', and for them to get out of the politics, stop worrying about attacking evolution, and get it's OWN science in place, then it can be considered. Until it has more than politcs and attacks on evolution, it is not science.

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ReverendDG
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Message 171 of 203 (292799)
03-06-2006 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by ramoss
03-06-2006 9:17 AM


Re: oh boy!
oh i know i just mean what would you teach if you allowed it
theres nothing to teach

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Victor
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Message 172 of 203 (292851)
03-06-2006 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by ReverendDG
03-05-2006 4:10 PM


Re: oh boy!
I agree, its not a very strong argument. You know, it wasn't that long ago when a lot of people though the earth was flat... Numbers do not prove anything. And fools, well you could call 50% of the world's population "fools", since on average half the population is.

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Victor
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Message 173 of 203 (292852)
03-06-2006 10:01 PM
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03-06-2006 4:59 PM


Good Point!
I know lots of students who would love to skip science for the rest of the year! But thats not the point. And really, what good would it to do teach ID? Even if it is true, it has no effect on our lifes. I can't see how it would make a difference if ID was true or not, its the same world - because it can't be proven one way or the other [well it can be proven false...]. It seems funny that the only thing that proves ID is faith.
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inkorrekt
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Message 174 of 203 (293083)
03-07-2006 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by ReverendDG
03-05-2006 11:13 PM


Re: oh boy!
I am not going to respond to you at all because, in this forum, you can write anything you want.Nothing happens. When I respond to you I get the warning. Therefore, I am sorry. i will not respond to you.

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Chiroptera
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Message 175 of 203 (293096)
03-07-2006 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by inkorrekt
03-07-2006 6:01 PM


FYI
If you want to know why this is, then we have a special thread in which we can discuss moderator actions. The moderators might be able to explain why you get warnings and ReverendDG does not (in, indeed, that is the case).

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Victor
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Message 176 of 203 (293114)
03-07-2006 8:48 PM
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03-07-2006 6:35 PM


Re: FYI
My guess why it was marked as off topic is because you did not make a direct link back to the sciecne class. I know you could have, but I assume that there was a "missing link" to say. If you include school or a classroom they moderators may allow it.

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Message 177 of 203 (293115)
03-07-2006 8:55 PM
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03-07-2006 8:48 PM


Hi Victor, watch the reply button.
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mr_matrix
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Message 178 of 203 (311114)
05-11-2006 5:44 PM


The Intellegent design in nature
There seems to be great confusion that humans suffer because of the athiest philosophy of evolution. There IS very intellegent and very wise design in not only nature but in the entire universe that only the blind one would deny. Just look at how your body is intellegently designed and not even all evolutionists are able to explain (with their unsientific claims) how this meracoullous design have originated. They even fail to explain how a cell could emerge from nonliving matter by "chance". Isn't it more logical to believe in God's intellegent design in this universe rather than believe that this universe and life forms on earth emerged by "chance". Since when did science rely on chance? since the athiest philosephy of Darwin brainwashed humans' minds. And if you ask Any evolutionist how the human body (at the molecular level) evolved they will only give you imaginary scenario that lacks evidence, logic, and details because they always fail to explain evolution at the molecular level and there is no where in science where a very stark complex system such as a single cell emerge by "chance".

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Chiroptera
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Message 179 of 203 (311117)
05-11-2006 5:47 PM
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05-11-2006 5:44 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
quote:
Isn't it more logical to believe in God's intellegent design in this universe rather than believe that this universe and life forms on earth emerged by "chance". Since when did science rely on chance?
No.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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mr_matrix
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Message 180 of 203 (311118)
05-11-2006 5:48 PM
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09-17-2005 8:40 PM


The Intellegent design in nature
There seems to be great confusion that humans suffer because of the athiest philosophy of evolution. There IS very intellegent and very wise design in not only nature but in the entire universe that only the blind one would deny. Just look at how your body is intellegently designed and not even all evolutionists are able to explain (with their unsientific claims) how this meracoullous design have originated. They even fail to explain how a cell could emerge from nonliving matter by "chance". Isn't it more logical to believe in God's intellegent design in this universe rather than believe that this universe and life forms on earth emerged by "chance". Since when did science rely on chance? since the athiest philosephy of Darwin brainwashed humans' minds. And if you ask Any evolutionist how the human body (at the molecular level) evolved they will only give you imaginary scenario that lacks evidence, logic, and details because they always fail to explain evolution at the molecular level and there is no where in science where a very stark complex system such as a single cell can be formed by "chance".

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mr_matrix
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Message 181 of 203 (311120)
05-11-2006 5:54 PM
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05-11-2006 5:47 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
Its very funny how you want to conclude a huge debate just by saying "NO". I dont bliam you because thats what evolutionist are only able to do: to deny God's existance and intellegent design with their ignorance.

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