truth preserving logic?(value of human life)

Who said it "should"? Chance, by it's very nature, doesn't do what it "should". Science does not "prove" anything. So you agree that life could have arisen by chance. There is no external "purpose" imposed on us.We can decide our own purpose - much more liberating/empowering/valuable.

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So, nothing ever happens by chance?

Sorry, but this just seems silly. Rare things are not valuable. Rather, I'd say that some rare things are valuable to humans. Not even close to the same.I don't think it really matters--we have the ability to assign value arbitrarily, so humans can have value no matter what the conditions. And you seem to talk about that in your later post. But your assigning humans value due to some external reason, in a non-arbitrary fashion, is a bit out there and (more simply) based on a false premise.

What does "valuable" mean if not valuable to humans? That's what I'm saying. I don't know where you're getting that.
I thought I said we don't derive our value from an external source.

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This is not the way that I see it. I see God as an absolute reality irregardless of human beliefs about Him. I also see Him as an external source since He is not a product of the human imagination. And when did we start personifying "chance"?

That's what I thought too. So I was surprised to see a statement that seems to assign value externally. "Rare things have value" seems to be an absolute statement, since there's no qualifiers, and most people seem to believe that there ARE absolute standards to value.But anyway, I'm glad for your clarification, thanks!You didn't address, though, the fact that your premise is false. Not all rare things have value. I think it's best just to drop the argument--as I was explaining, value is assigned. You don't need any statements like "rare things have value" to explain human value anyway.

"Rare things have value" was never intended as a "premise". It was a play on the "rarity" of life arising by chance.If life was specially created, it could be peppered all over the universe and could be easily replaced by more acts of special creation. But if it arose spontaneously, there might be no life anywhere but us, and when we're gone we're gone.That was the concept of "value" that I was after - replacement value.

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Sure. That may be true in an abstract sense. But in "reality", all you have is your beliefs - your perception of Him. And yet the only perception of Him that you have - the only "picture" that you see looking out at the world - is what's internal - what's written on your brain. We have to get the customers in the door, don't we? We can't do that by being boring.

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Wouldn't it be possible that that's just another human belief about him?By the way, "irregardless"? What a strange word. Does it even exist? What do you mean "since"? When has that been proven conclusively?

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Unpossibly.

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That and the descriptions of others who see a similar God as I do.Its like NDR's..(Near Death Experiences) How many times have we heard of the infamous light at the end of the tunnel?I will admit, though, that you could tell me descriptions all day long and that it would still be my own internal perception that mattered!What type of logic makes any sense, really?

I dunno! I think I meant "regardless".

We are all or most of us are addicted to football. What do they do before the game? They toss the coin. Can anyone predict who will start the game?

There is a vacuum in all our lives. Money, name, fame, sex, possessions, positions and you name anything. None of them will satisfy the soul. Things will give us some happiness for a while. Then we need more and more things. It is A never ending QUEST. Good works also cannot satisfy our soul.They may make us feel good. There is only one which can satisfy the human soul. That is God.

Our intrinsic value depends on who we are rather than what we have. there is no price on human life.Chance means it can produce anything (if at all anything should happen). Chance again depends on what is possible and what is not possible. If chance should create anything, then it must defy the laws of chemistry, physics and biology. Chemical evolution is impossible. Therefore chance cannot produce anything as far as life processes are concerned.