General discussion of moderation procedures - Part 7

And I've also taken plenty of time off for my violations. As will you if you keep it up.

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As a practical matter I have to point out that you can't pick and choose which moderators you will listen to. My suggestion is to discuss any issues you have in this thread.Another perspective to consider is the advantages of having someone interpreting rule 10 who is so intimately familiar with all its fine nuances.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I dont know if this is the place to ask.
Why can't I post in the Showcase forum? Never mind {giggles and blushes}(edited to include stupidity)Edited by kalimero, : No reason given.

You need to be approved - just ask for access and mention which thread it is, you'd like to be in. Edited by CK, : No reason given.

You can post a request to participate in this thread

Please review message Message 94 and see if I did not already address that issue.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Fair shout, I missed that. The posts that followed were the main things I picked up on. Where one side was saying: "provide quotes" and the other side saying "I did" over and over again. Your parts in this can be found at messages113, 109, 107, 102, 99 and 96Those posts were repetitive and didn't serve to clear up the matter. I thought that we'd gotten stuck in a loop and a third party was needed just to kick the record player a little.

Thank you sir.So now please either get randman to support his assertion or retract it. Seems simple to me.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I responded to jar and others for requests of where jar does indeed characterize and describe Christianity as evil. Note: Jar claims being oppossed to gay marriage and such is evil, and more so than Hitler's evil, and so my use of the term "evil" to describe his words on violence, etc,...is consistent with Jar's statements.Please note the following posts:Messages 95 (asking for clarity), 96, 100, 103, 106, 108, 111, 115, 117, 120, 123 and 126.Jar has been amply answered, as others, on this point. Jar himself uses the word "evil" to describe the acts of "violence and oppression." There has been no mischaracterization of jar whatsoever.I would like though to point out that jar inserted himself as adminjar to shut down an argument, claiming Islam is off-topic, when comparing Islam and Christianity is the topic in the OP.Maybe someone can clear this up as jar has now posted a comment on Islam, and responding to him could mean jar as adminjar could argue the response violates his earlier ruling as an admin. I would think using admin status to help you argue, and then bringing the banned subject material back up as a poster, is something that would be frowned upon, as well as falsely claiming I have lied.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

jar - this post seems like a good place to resolve this from. If ever there was an opportunity to resolve things amicably it was this opening by randman. Diplomatically speaking I don't see the use in badgering someone to support or retract - it is much better to try and reach a mutual understanding, neh?

As you may have noted, I have requested that jar do his utmost to clarify once and for all his position on violence et al and evil. I asked you to simply stop insisting what jar's position is, and allow jar to tell you what his position is. If you think it is inconsistent that is fine - and you may say so. It would probably do to have a thread on the nature of evil revolving around whether or not violence and oppression is inherently evil. I just wanted it put to rest in that thread since it (and the 'is' 'is not' nature of it)was becoming the focus of the thread, where it shouldn't be (and it was very boring for non-participants too). Actually, I basically agree. The topic title was poor. It should be something like 'barbarity of Christianity vs barbarity of Islam' or something. The OP was vague and it quickly went off kilter, but there you go. More on this later... As far as I am concerned the OP explicitly mentions that it is a comparative thread between Islam and Christianity. Therefore Islam is on topic...though I'd rather not see yet another Islam is barbaric thread and the focus should be principally on Christianity with reference to Islam (my opinion).Using admin status for advantage in debate is frowned upon - I do not think jar is guilty of this in this case but I do agree he may have erred a little here (but not much, after all Christianity is meant to be the focus of the thread, not Islam).As far as lying goes, I've not seen the accusation. I saw him call you on what he considered a misrepresentation of his position in message 99. jar only considered you dishonest if you did not retract the comment that he said Christianity was evil. It was a far cry from 'that was a baldfaced lie' as you have used (and not been suspended for (until you did it again)).My advice - chill out, seek a resolution to the issue rather than victory and engage diplomacy. If you can't do that - simply ignore jar.I'm leaving the forum to go to bed in a few minutes, so I'll leave it in another mod's capable hands for the next 8-10 hours or so.I plead that all parties not try and 'win', do their best to understand each other, and if the worst comes to the worst, cease and desist talking to each other. Better would be to take it to its own thread.

Fair enough.....no need to argue jar's position and I hear you on the other points as well.....maybe the thread will move on in a more fruitful direction. Edited by randman, : No reason given.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

AdminMod just banned pop for 72 hours.I bring this up because as far as I know pop doesn't have any supporters here so to speak so since there may be nobody else to bring the case forward and hold AdminMod potentially accountable for his actions.Huh? I hear you ask? I'm just being honest, moderator guidelines warn about taking moderator action in a thread that you are participating in. Which is something AdminMod certainly did.AdminMod: I certainly feel it was justified given the nature of the infraction (yet another copy/paste after repeated warnings and suspensions). However, I'm willing to accept I may have been unduly biased due to my position as a debator in the thread (however small my role was in it). I would therefore like for another Admin to check (possibly correct) my work Thanks.abe: I'm not discussing this in the PAF because I'm a believer in public accountability Still, if there are issues best discussed there, I'm happy to go there. Edited by Modulous, : as marked

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