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PaulK
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Message 286 of 301 (333612)
07-20-2006 2:36 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Wepwawet
07-19-2006 6:57 PM


Re: oh, great
Personally I can't say why Israel holds the prisoners it does. It is entirely possible that some should not be held prisoner even by Israeli law. It is far more likely that Hezbollah considers the improsinment unjust.
However the fundaemntal problem is that you set all other considerations aside when you said that "getting people back" takes priority over everything else. Israel is not simply attacking Hezbollah. They are bombing the airport in Beirut, even attacking Tripoli even further away from the actual fighting. They even hit a Lebanese army barracks although the Lebanese army is not involved in the conflict (and has orders not to return fire).
So long as you take the attitude that Israel can do whatever it likes in the name of "getting their people back" even if said actions are killing innocents with no chance of actually contributing to the supposed objective, then you aren't in any position to pass moral judgement on others.t

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sidelined
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Message 287 of 301 (333704)
07-20-2006 10:33 AM
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07-19-2006 6:57 PM


Re: oh, great
Wepwawet
Hezbollah may not see or care about the difference, but I do. I won't say that Israel is justified for holding every single prisoner, but they are definitely not holding hostages.
If a person is being held without justification how exactly is this different from being held hostage?

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BMG
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Message 288 of 301 (333750)
07-20-2006 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by crashfrog
07-20-2006 12:52 AM


Ambulances?
Hey Crash.
Was it care and restraint when they airbombed a convoy of ambulances?
Wow. Do you have a source for this? I would really like to read more on this. Moreover, about a week ago, I read a story in the LA Times of four or five Israeli rockets destroying a three-story house of a Shi'ite (sp) cleric. Thirteen people were "dismembered", including ten children. One was just an infant, six-months old, and another was only three.
It's interesting to note that, according to the article, this house and only this house was razed. No other buildings or houses in the vicinity were damaged or destroyed. Seemed pretty deliberate.
From what I saw on television, not a peep was mentioned about it. Sad, really.
Edited by Infixion, : No reason given.

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crashfrog
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Message 289 of 301 (333780)
07-20-2006 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by BMG
07-20-2006 12:47 PM


Re: Ambulances?
Wow. Do you have a source for this?
I just found this:
Khaleej Times - NO PAGE FOUND
and this:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://tinyurl.com/npaay
The first is from some Arabic newspaper, I guess. The second is direct from Reuters. Relief workers conclude:
quote:
"If attacks are hitting relief and medical convoys, the implications for civilian protection are serious. Such attacks would indicate that Israel is failing to take appropriate precautions to avoid targeting civilian objects."

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Message 290 of 301 (333794)
07-20-2006 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by crashfrog
07-20-2006 4:18 PM


Re: Ambulances?
Israel is failing to take appropriate precautions to avoid targeting civilian objects."
of course. because all arabs are terrorists and there are no civillians in this.

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Philip
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Message 291 of 301 (333811)
07-20-2006 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
07-07-2006 5:19 AM


Israel and Fundy's
Many of us fundies pray for the interests of Israel because this jinxed "Soldier of God" commands *superstitious* allegiance. Many fundies deduce that a country's blessings are necessitated by such an allegiance, based on history. I agree.
Biblical history has repeatedly demonstrated it is stupid to persecute Israel once they’ve been in battle.
Consider the books of the old testament: E.g., Esther (where the word ”God’ is not mentioned once) and the fall of Haman's house. The Persian king *allowed* Israel revenge on the *enemy* without interfering.
Kings of Babylon and Persia sympathized repeatedly with Israel in hopes that their kingdoms would enjoy divine blessings.
Albeit fundies (including Paul the apostle (latter book of Romans) believe most Jews are actually damned to a greater hell seeing they deny Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Israel (via Abraham, etc.) is also the father of fundies. The fundy *Luke Skywalker* hopes that this *Darth Vader* will someday repent. Islam/Ashtoreth, on the other hand, is NOT my father.
It seriously behooves me to support Israel, thus.
Edited by Philip, : Typos

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Message 292 of 301 (333813)
07-20-2006 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Philip
07-20-2006 6:51 PM


Re: Israel and Fundy's
i love star wars analogies when it comes to religion. if you've ever frequented a star wars board, it makes all too much sense.


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Buzsaw
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Message 293 of 301 (333831)
07-20-2006 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by crashfrog
07-20-2006 4:18 PM


Re: Ambulances?
It is both the nature of Hezbolla terrorists to launch rocket attacks from civilian areas and mosques. Likely they use rescue vehicles to move war equipment et al. Not only that but they will make sure their people get the need supplies before the Lebanese Christians and other noncombatants get them.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 294 of 301 (333834)
07-20-2006 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by BMG
07-20-2006 12:47 PM


Re: Ambulances?
LOL. The ultra liberal and anti Israel NY times is not going to tell you that terrorists set up shop in places like this.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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Message 295 of 301 (333854)
07-20-2006 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Buzsaw
07-20-2006 8:55 PM


Re: Ambulances?
So according to Buz if you think some folk are terrorists it is okay to go ahead and and bomb civilians because terrorists might be hiding among civilians. Yup, seems like the Christian thing to do Buz.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 296 of 301 (333855)
07-20-2006 10:15 PM
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07-20-2006 10:00 PM


Luke 22:36
Luke 22:36

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Message 297 of 301 (333857)
07-20-2006 10:23 PM
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07-20-2006 10:15 PM


Re: Luke 22:36
Luke 22:36 KJV Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
huh?

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Message 298 of 301 (333864)
07-20-2006 10:58 PM
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07-20-2006 10:23 PM


Re: Luke 22:36
cause clearly jesus was a warmonger.
turn the other cheek really meant pivot your hips to get a better angle for stabbing your opponent.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 299 of 301 (333868)
07-20-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by jar
07-20-2006 10:00 PM


Re: Ambulances?
Only ruthless coward terrorists operate with civilians. They and they alone are responsible for the people they are causing to be killed and now on the news Israel has dropped leaflets WARNING all civilians to head north but the Hezbollah cowards are setting up checkpoints prohibiting their flight so they can continue to use them for cover. This leaves Israel no choice. Unfortunately they can't let the terrorists protect themselves in this fashion so Israel has no choice in order to protect themselves and win the war.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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Message 300 of 301 (333869)
07-20-2006 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Buzsaw
07-20-2006 11:05 PM


Re: Ambulances?
This leaves Israel no choice.
Bullshit Buz. Rank Bullshit.
Of course there are other choices than blowing up ambulances. Hell, even during real War the armies tried to respect Red Cross units.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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