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A_Christian
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Message 91 of 98 (51170)
08-19-2003 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Asgara
08-18-2003 5:48 PM


Re: well........
You need to follow the train of thought. All my ancestors were
not believers. GOD allowed them to exist and die so that I would
exist and live...

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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2302 days)
Posts: 1783
From: Wisconsin, USA
Joined: 05-10-2003


Message 92 of 98 (51172)
08-19-2003 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by A_Christian
08-19-2003 4:47 PM


Re: well........
I follow your train of thought quite well.
You aren't following mine though,
GOD allowed them to exist and die so that I would
exist and live...
God allowed generations of people to be damned just so you would be around to be saved?
Looks like even more evidence against ID for me.
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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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mike the wiz
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Message 93 of 98 (111867)
05-31-2004 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Asgara
08-19-2003 4:56 PM


Re: well........
If I am to apply the recent logic, that God's knowing the outcome means we don't have freewill. Then surely I can apply it to you and your future children? Isn't it a double standard to say their belief has nothing to do with your being here? I mean, your existence might well be similar to the painting, yes - you might end up agnostic, but there is another outcome - future Asgara babes! And now you say that your existence is only your existence alone??? Can't I then say you are getting rid of mutual exclusivity when it suits your argument? If their belief outweighs the unbelieving fututre Asgara
babes then the outcome is justified. The whole "blame God" thing is flawed baba. You see, I can surely say that God's creation has nothing to do with our future decisions aswell.
I mean, if your existence means that many, many future Asgara babes are saved then surely your existence might be very significant. Not that you aren't saved either - I won't assume anyone is saved/unsaved, BUT are you seeing how the logic applied by your side allows me to justify the outcome?
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Asgara
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From: Wisconsin, USA
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Message 94 of 98 (111897)
05-31-2004 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by mike the wiz
05-31-2004 4:12 PM


Re: well........
Hi Mikey, Cute avatar...always knew you were a little delusional LOL.
My decendents' beliefs, while maybe a mitagating factor, still have nothing to do with the fact that IF an omniscient, sole creator of life exists, then he created me to be an agnostic. (you keep forgetting that "sole creator of life" thing...if you do not believe your god to have that attribute then I have no problem with your argument)
You also keep forgetting that I don't believe in your god...so how can I blame him for anything? I have simply been having fun debating a logical argument. If this particular god...with these particular attributes exists...then freewill can not. If the god you believe in does not have ALL the attributes I have stated in various threads...then we have nothing to argue about.
I do believe we are off topic from the OP. If you want to continue this we should take it back to one of the free will threads.

Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"
http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com

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Mike Holland
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Posts: 179
From: Sydney, NSW,Auistralia
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Message 95 of 98 (111911)
05-31-2004 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Asgara
05-31-2004 6:19 PM


Re: well........
Off topic? Really?
My original post was a joke! I am amazed to see this topic still around.
Mike.

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mike the wiz
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From: u.k
Joined: 05-24-2003


Message 96 of 98 (111921)
05-31-2004 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Asgara
05-31-2004 6:19 PM


Re: well........
Hi Mikey, Cute avatar...always knew you were a little delusional LOL
Are you saying I am not the real Batman? Please provide a link for you proving of the negative.
My decendents' beliefs, while maybe a mitagating factor, still have nothing to do with the fact that IF an omniscient, sole creator of life exists, then he created me to be an agnostic.
No. He says that he wishes all will believe and repent. You see, he created you to be Asgara. You see, your kids and your agnosticism (is that a word) - are both side effects of your own freewill. I just don't think there has to be a connection.
You also keep forgetting that I don't believe in your god...so how can I blame him for anything?
But let's be honest, you do want to blame him if he is real. That's okay though, he's already took the blame. Jesus Christ payed the debt, that's my God. So, if you aren't against my God - fair enough. I still think you aren't trying to see that mutual exclusivity is not an absolute certainty. If He created you for you, and not your kids, then in the same way he could create the earth despite the outcome - An Asgara for Asgara's sake + an earth for the earth's sake.

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Zachariah
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Message 97 of 98 (112298)
06-02-2004 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Mike Holland
04-07-2003 6:05 AM


Sorry, but Adam didn't get to see Gods face. Noone does. Not God the father. Those are the rules. - z

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sidelined
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Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 98 of 98 (112312)
06-02-2004 1:21 AM
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06-02-2004 12:16 AM


Zachariah
You must have missed these two verses.
Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved
Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
What can we say? Rules are made to be broken?
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