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subbie
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Message 46 of 140 (723089)
03-26-2014 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by NoNukes
03-26-2014 12:02 PM


Well, the cigarettes are the wife's, so getting rid of them isn't a good idea. However, since I smoke(d) cigars, they aren't a temptation for me.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 47 of 140 (723092)
03-26-2014 3:38 PM
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03-26-2014 3:24 PM


I wouldn't say it's good for you, but it seems better (and cheaper), that cigs.
There's plenty of things I do that aren't good for me, I'm not worried about that. But there's signs that e-cigs are way less damaging than analog cigs:
  • Lack of expectorating in my morning shower
  • Don't easily run out of breath under exertion
  • Gut busting laughter doesn't end in a coughing fit
Stuff like that. Plus I don't stink, and I don't have to go outside to "smoke".
I wouldn't start them, but then again, I never smoked tobacco.
Nicotine is just another drug, and I like it. But like all of them, if you don't know what you're missing, then there's really no good reason to find out.
Well, except for maybe an entheogen... everyone should have to try one of those once in their life.

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Jon
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Message 48 of 140 (723104)
03-26-2014 4:27 PM
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03-26-2014 10:30 AM


I switched to e-cigs and its amazing.
I still get my nicotine but my lungs don't feel ruined.
But you gotta buck up a little and get a good refillable one and not one of those cheap disposable gas station ones.
As subbie mentioned, Minnesota has a law that bans smoking in most public places (I'm not sure what's all included, but most restaurants, bars, etc. are smoke-free).
Recently, legislation has been pushed to treat e-cigarettes the same as regular cigarettes.
It is comforting to know that perhaps people will not wait decades to do something about the new fad while thousands of people potentially die as a result of someone else's poor habits.

Love your enemies!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 49 of 140 (723114)
03-26-2014 5:01 PM
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03-26-2014 4:27 PM


while thousands of people potentially die
You're hilarious!

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iano
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Message 50 of 140 (723119)
03-26-2014 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by subbie
03-26-2014 10:38 AM


You could do worse than give Allen Carr's The Easy Way To Stop Smoking a read. It's a thin volume and other than listening closely to the truth he has to tell you about why you smoke and why quitting can appear impossibly difficult (with only the prospect of lifetime of longing thereafter) there is no system for you to follow. And best of all, no willpower to have to sustain either in the quitting or in staying quit.
Although not a Christian (that I'm aware of), Allen merely applied the maxim that the truth (and not some gimmick method and not your own effort) will set you free. All you really have to do is read it. PS don't be put off by the repetition or the simple language - it's the truth you need, not intellectual challenge.
Even the title of the book couldn't be more accurate...
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hooah212002
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Message 51 of 140 (723121)
03-26-2014 6:36 PM
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03-26-2014 5:35 PM


This this this, a thousand fucking times this. That book is the sole reason I have been tobacco free for 523 days.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 52 of 140 (723134)
03-27-2014 4:07 AM
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03-26-2014 6:36 PM


Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
I just read the reviews of this book at Amazon. Wow, it seems like this guy has really hit on something. Testimony after testimony of giving up smoking with an amazing ease. I'm putting it on my wish list because although I quit years ago I'd love to understand what this guy's method is since it is apparently incredibly effective.
I used to smoke very heavily and tried to quit time after time as smokers usually do, as the intro to this book also affirms. I'd do the usual rummaging through the garbage to find a bit of a butt to smoke, I'd throw out partial packs, even drown them in water to make them unsmokeable, then find myself going down to the Seven Eleven at midnight to get another pack. I did manage to quit for two years once and it was exactly as the guy describes, a daily struggle that made going back to it inevitable when life got a little more stressful.
When I did quit it was at a Christian seminar where we were asked to pray about something we thought the Lord would want us to get out of our lives. I prayed to give up smoking. When I got in my car after the seminar I lit up the half smoked cigarette I'd left in the ashtray, smoked it down to the filter, thinking the whole time "Why am I doing this after praying to stop?" I don't know what made it possible but that was the last cigarette I ever smoked. And the urge was gone gone gone, never had the slightest desire after that.
That was in August of 1989.
So I'm wondering if whatever happened to me psychologically that made it so easy for me to quit through prayer was similar to what happens to people who quit with such ease from this book. I'd like to find out.
ABE: I mean of course God changed my desire to smoke because I did pray, but I'm talking here about the psychological component of it, HOW He changed my desire, what mental change occurred that made it possible to simply put cigarettes absolutely out of mind as I did from then on.
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hooah212002
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Message 53 of 140 (723137)
03-27-2014 5:01 AM
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03-27-2014 4:07 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
I can see why you think the way you do because when I tell peopel about the book, I feel like a scummy street preacher because all I have is my testimony and what I swear to seems extraordinary. The difference with this book is that it doesn't claim to work miracles. Quitting smoking isn't miraculous, it's understanding (scientifically) that you are harming your body, you (more often than not) don't actually like smoking (honestly, who does?) and your're going to stop. It's not a magic bullet; you still have to genuinely want to quit. It's just that, more often than not, people that read it and don't want to quit, end up quitting because o f the easy way.
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Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Faith 
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Message 54 of 140 (723143)
03-27-2014 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by hooah212002
03-27-2014 5:01 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
The impression I get of the book without having read more than the introduction is that it DOESN'T try to guilttrip the smoker, doesn't emphasize how you are killing yourself even, because you already know that. I get the impression that it mostly describes the psychological state that keeps you needing to smoke and that there's something about just having that acknowledged that makes it possible to stop thinking you need to smoke and actually truly voluntarily give it up. Something like that?
I think what you say here may be the main thing:
you (more often than not) don't actually like smoking (honestly, who does?)
Like you really DON'T WANT to smoke but you have to realilze you don't? Once you don't want to smoke it doesn't even enter your mind any more, why would it if you really don't like it and found out you really don't like it and don't need it. You don't obsess about eating spinach if you don't even like spinach, you just don't even think about spinach. That's what I THINK happened to me, something like that anyway.
If this book can lead people to that frame of mind all smokers who have tried to quit need to read it. I know there are some it doesn't work for, there always will be some of those, but it's a remarkably small percentage from the sound of it.
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NoNukes
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Message 55 of 140 (723154)
03-27-2014 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by New Cat's Eye
03-26-2014 3:38 PM


Stuff like that. Plus I don't stink, and I don't have to go outside to "smoke".
Grrr... Yes, that's what you can do at home. But some people think they can use e-cigs in the most inappropriate places. My wife confronted a fellow for huffing away on an e-sig in church. He seemed astonished that anyone cared, but admitted that he would not have pulled the stunt at the large church down the block.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Dogmafood
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Message 56 of 140 (723158)
03-27-2014 9:01 AM
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03-27-2014 5:01 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
you (more often than not) don't actually like smoking (honestly, who does?)
I love smoking and I wish people would just stop it with all the negative vibes. Its like telling a gay person that they shouldn't be gay because its bad for their health. Fuck off already.
My doctor told me that my smoking habit was going to kill me and I explained to him that his job was not to get me to quit smoking but to help me live longer so I could smoke more. I had to remind him that he was a consultant and not a director. I also pointed out that the majority of the obese sick people in his waiting room were not smokers but instead were sedentary soda pop drinkers.
A good cigar and a glass of whiskey or a joint and a beer are among the true pleasures in life. As Rumpole of the Bailey said 'I would trade 5 yrs in the geriatric ward for a good cigar any day.'

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NoNukes
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Message 57 of 140 (723160)
03-27-2014 9:54 AM
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03-27-2014 9:01 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
I love smoking and I wish people would just stop it with all the negative vibes. Its like telling a gay person that they shouldn't be gay because its bad for their health. Fuck off already.
No it is not the same thing. People who care about you should not be trying to stop you from being gay, but if the worst thing you can say about them is that they want to keep you around longer, then that isn't all that much of an indictment.
And yeah, doctors do tell obese people to lose weight too.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 58 of 140 (723165)
03-27-2014 10:35 AM
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03-27-2014 8:48 AM


But some people think they can use e-cigs in the most inappropriate places.
There's plenty of people in the vaping community that are bothered by this as well. We'd prefer to find acceptance, and blowing clouds in peoples' faces is not the way to do that.

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hooah212002
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Message 59 of 140 (723183)
03-27-2014 1:37 PM
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03-27-2014 9:01 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
I am assuming this post if sarcasm? Doesn't seem like something you'd normally say.
Its like telling a gay person that they shouldn't be gay because its bad for their health.
If there were actual side effects with being gay that are brought on by merely being gay, you'd have a point. But the only time being gay has caused serious bodily harm is at the hands of bigots.
A good cigar and a glass of whiskey or a joint and a beer are among the true pleasures in life.
Again, I can't tell if your post is serious or not, but as far as this bit is concerned: that is not the aim of the book. People that smoke a occasional cigar or joint are not the target group of the book. People that have an occasional cigar or joint (or even multiple joints every day) aren't in the same category as "people that need to stop smoking". I smoke weed every day and if it happens to harm me or be bad (not proven to yet), at least I get something out of it as opposed to cigarettes all I got out of it is stinking and wanting another cigarette.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 60 of 140 (723185)
03-27-2014 1:40 PM
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03-27-2014 10:35 AM


I honestly don't understand what the uproar is other than the fact that there is no hard and fast regulation on what is in the solution, so that vapor could be anything. Is it just a remnant of people equating someone blowing a smoke like substance with cigarettes or something else known to be harmful? The vapor dissipates immediately and has less of an odor than a car or that old ladies perfume.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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