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Author Topic:   Sad what Bible Inerrancy can do to a mind!
Brian
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Message 1 of 79 (34360)
03-14-2003 9:49 AM


What is the fascination with insisting that the Bible is inerrant on all matters contained within it?
Would a contradiction actually prove that there isn't a God?
There is obviously people out there who have to have empirical evidence to support everything in the Bible, websites like 'wyattarchaeology, Drdino, and AiG is proof of that.
What gets me is that these inerrantists, when shown a clear error that all can see, immediately look for some other interpretation of the text that will keep their fantasy intact.
Just like creationism can drive some people to desparate lengths, Bible Inerrancy has the same detrimental effect on the brain.
A good example of this delusion is illustrated in two posts from Conspirator, in post one he is quite confident that he can prove that any Bible 'contradiction'is not in fact a contradiction at all.
He claims: 'Go ahead and post a supposed "contradiction" and I'll tell you how it isn't a contradiction. This should be fun. '
Now most people would be cautious when stating an absolute, but not an inerrantist, and they invariably end up with the proverbial egg on their faces. By stating that there are absolutely no contradictions Conspirator has made a rod for his own back, a rod that surfaces in his next post:
'I'll see what I can do...but I don't know if I'll have an answer for you.'
Now Conspirator admits that he doesn't know if he can answer the contradiction I posted, which undermines his first statement, an absolute claim no less.
Being a Bible Inerrantist appears to do strange things to a mind, maybe Conspirator has answered some easy 'contradictions' and it has gone to his head. Maybe he thinks that clearing up some 'contradictions', by adding to the text or interpreting the text in a different way or any other tactic, then all contradictions can be cleared up to the Inerrantist's satisfaction.
Finally, I am not specifically highlighting Conspirator here, he is just one example of many that I am sure we can all relate to.
But it does confuse me that people have to perform so many psychological contortions to make their Book into something that it clearly isn't.
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Message 2 of 79 (34364)
03-14-2003 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
03-14-2003 9:49 AM


How about this little exchange I witnessed in '97:
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:
: >Then you can disqualify all of the history of antiquity. You now must
: >reject any notion that Napoleon and Alexander the Great were in fact real
: >people, and state that they were myths, figments of human imagination.
: >
: >Are you going to say that?
:
: I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't quite see how you're getting this. We
: have multiple evidentiary sources on both Napoleon and Alexander the
: Great.
But they were written HUNDREDS of hears after the fact, and not by
eyewitnesses! And there are more copies of the New Testemant Gospels than all of the other works of history combined! God has left no doubt.
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All the evidentiary sources on Napoleon were written hundreds of years after the fact !?!?

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Message 3 of 79 (34381)
03-14-2003 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
03-14-2003 9:49 AM


Reminds me of a quote in a book by John Goldingay ... in discussing inerrancy he describes the approach as "being provided with solutions of ever-decreasing plausibility to an ever-increasing range of problems of ever-increasing triviality." (Models for Scripture Paternoster Press, 1987, p 278)
Alan

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Brian
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Message 4 of 79 (34426)
03-14-2003 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by PaulK
03-14-2003 10:11 AM


You forgot to say that theres more evidence for Jesus' existence than there is for Julius Caesar's! lol
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Message 5 of 79 (34464)
03-15-2003 2:05 PM


You know, now that I think of it, I shouldn't have said that. You're right.

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Brian
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Message 6 of 79 (34476)
03-15-2003 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Conspirator
03-15-2003 2:05 PM


Hi Conspirator,
Thank you very much for your reply, that was very honest of you and I admire you for ackowledging.
While I am here let me apologise for some of the less than polite comments I posted concerning your posts.
Best Wishes
Brian.
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Brian
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Message 7 of 79 (35568)
03-28-2003 7:39 AM


The leading scientist and eminent biblical scholar Dr. Kent Hovind is in no doubt that the Bible contains no errors. How does this genius deal with the mention of the unicorn in the KJV? Well he informs us that there was indeed an animal that resembled the description of the unicorn in the KJV, now for a small prize, can anyone guess which of the following two choices Kent says is a nice fluffy unicorn?
A
B
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Message 8 of 79 (35569)
03-28-2003 7:49 AM
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03-28-2003 7:39 AM


Brian Johnston writes:
...can anyone guess which of the following two choices Kent says is a nice fluffy unicorn?
I wouldn't be surprised if he used B.
What do I win?
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He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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Message 9 of 79 (35652)
03-28-2003 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by compmage
03-28-2003 7:49 AM


Probably (c)Kent hovind is a lying moron.
Or more likely a, is evolved from b.
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drummachine
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Message 10 of 79 (36357)
04-05-2003 10:24 PM


[Lengthy cut-n-paste replaced with link to webpage The Unicorn: The Bible does not refer to fantasy animals. Drum, you were warned about this just a couple days ago. Next violation will earn a suspension. --Admin]
[This message has been edited by Admin, 04-06-2003]

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Message 11 of 79 (36358)
04-05-2003 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by drummachine
04-05-2003 10:24 PM


the famous Lascaux (Cro-magnon) cave paintings.
Painted, I regret to inform Mr Wieland, about 30,000 years ago. :-)

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Message 12 of 79 (36424)
04-07-2003 3:22 PM


Coragyps,
How did you get the date of 30,000 years?

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Message 13 of 79 (36427)
04-07-2003 3:43 PM
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04-07-2003 3:22 PM


Oops, wrong cave!
I had the wrong cave - the Lascaux drawings are about 17,000 years old - Chauvet has the 31,000 year old ones. Google up either for lots of sites: the official French sites have some great pictures.

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Message 14 of 79 (36428)
04-07-2003 4:42 PM


How did they get those dates?

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Message 15 of 79 (36429)
04-07-2003 4:45 PM
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04-07-2003 4:42 PM


Carbon-14 dating.
--Percy

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