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Quetzal
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Message 16 of 304 (181854)
01-30-2005 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by AdminNosy
01-30-2005 11:18 AM


Re: Are we being too hard on people who ask uninformed questions?
Ned,
I know why you haven't promoted the topic. I almost always read the proposed topics to see what's coming up that I might be interested in responding to. I'm aware that your reasoning was the link was controversial and the topic originator refused to respond to mod requests to delete it. I almost never click on people's sig links although I know there are posters who do so regularly (Tal was taken quite to task during his initial forays here over that issue, for instance). My post was neither an implied criticism of your moderating nor was it intended to be a negative comment on moderating here overall. In fact, if you read the rest of my post, I quite clearly state that the moderation and topic promotion on this board is quite good overall - and go on to explain to Gary why some posts are less than useful topics (like the second one). No need to get defensive.

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Message 17 of 304 (181857)
01-30-2005 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Quetzal
01-30-2005 1:39 PM


Defensive?
Was I being defensive? It didn't feel that way to me. I was just trying to make sure it was understood and made a suggestion to get the questions rolling.
That second post and rather chaotic set of questions I would like to see discussed actually. But not all at once.

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lfen
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Message 18 of 304 (181858)
01-30-2005 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Brad McFall
01-30-2005 12:32 PM


Re: Are we being too hard on people who ask uninformed questions?
Brad,
The plot thickens, the mystery deepens! I've read speculation that you couldn't write your post other than you did. The speculation seemed based on a theory that you have brilliant but well, "strange perhaps autistic?" brain. I've seen brief clear posts from you but this one seals it. You've outed yourself here. You can write clear, direct posts. Your unique style is something you've chosen and it may be as hard for you to write as it is for most of us to read. The question for me now is, "Why does Brad choose such a cryptic near impenetrable writing style for the majority of his posts?"
If you refuse to explain could you perhaps hint? Give us at least a clue, please!
lfen

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Brad McFall
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Message 19 of 304 (181898)
01-30-2005 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Gary
01-30-2005 1:23 PM


Re: Are we being too hard on people who ask uninformed questions?
I have been somewhat concerned with the point you made which is why I responded.
Loondd's post could have been responded to by me, if I OPENED up a large discussion of Cuvier and the three phases of against a theory, against religion, we knew it all along ... of Agassiz's via Von Baer as used by GOULD, but this would strech the attentions' I might have already gained (it's always hard to second guess definitively), so when posts come up that COULD fairly easily garner a response, I dont, and I didn"t for strategic reasons, of, trying to hone into a more and more physical communication::rather than simply multiply the number and kinds, of my-responses. On other sites these kinds of things are easily handled,and ofthen are, but than there is less attention to creation than evolution.. which. would be required,,, to handle them. I hope/think you understand. Instead, people just dont respond some/often times. That's how it has worked as for instance posters became admins and the cookie crumbled.
Your suggestion is firmly in the hands of the admins and I hope my comments did not detract from your wishes with its regards. Best, Brad.
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Brad McFall
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Message 20 of 304 (181899)
01-30-2005 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by lfen
01-30-2005 2:02 PM


Re: Are we being too hard on people who ask uninformed questions?
Blushingly- i think it the language of the future of science. If just one other person writes it, the candle is no longer descartes'wax. You got the whole ball.
opps my pride of small success showed!Oh, and if you asked Mark25 he would have told you I did it on purpose. That is a bit strong but close to this truth.
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lfen
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Message 21 of 304 (181934)
01-30-2005 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Brad McFall
01-30-2005 5:43 PM


Re: Are we being too hard on people who ask uninformed questions?
i think it the language of the future of science.
Interesting. I had heard that mathematics was the language of science.
And one time I thought you might be parodying the language of scientific papers, then later I thought maybe you were a computer program that had taken scientific papers and used them to recreate a language. I hadn't considered you were working on a new language of science. I still see elements of parody and also of language experimentation as a sort of poetry of science.
lfen

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Vercingetorix 
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Message 22 of 304 (189528)
03-01-2005 6:27 PM


cuss words
i know the majority of us are adults but i wasn't sure if cuss words are allowed or not, i thought not because:The Britannica says, "Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach."
but this guy in response to me uses terms like Fuck and Bullshit, and i see no action from the moderators, yet i make an error and they are on me like white on rice.
i was just wondering the protocol here?

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Message 23 of 304 (189534)
03-01-2005 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Vercingetorix
03-01-2005 6:27 PM


Re: cuss words
Maybe you could reference the particular threads or posts you are discussing. I haven't been around all day and haven't had time to look over every thread today, so I haven't seen what you are talking about.
The Bible Cryptids/Dinosaurs? thread was pretty straight forward. I didn't see any overt cussing and no one jumped on you. The only administrator action in that thread were requests to remain on topic and to follow Forum Guidelines.
In the Embarrassed Creationist thread member Buzsaw made a relatively polite post concerning how he felt about your opening post. You turned around and very impolitely jumped all over him. Once again, I didn't see any cussing in that exchange.

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Message 24 of 304 (189549)
03-01-2005 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Vercingetorix
03-01-2005 6:27 PM


Re: cuss words
The absence from the Forum Guidelines of anything about profanity is on purpose. A Supreme Court justice once said that though he couldn't define obscene, he knew it when he saw it, but EvC Forum does not subscribe to this view. Opinions about obscenity are subjective, and moderators here are busy enough without wasting time trying to protect the sensibilities of the easily offended.
But EvC Forum strongly frowns on making debates personal. In Message 23 Dan Carroll writes in reply to you, "So basically, the state does not have the ability to fuck over a subset of the population, no matter what the group consensus is." In my judgement that is fine. If he had instead attacked you personally and said, "You're a complete fuck-wad for not understanding group consensus issues," that would be another matter entirely.

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Vercingetorix 
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Message 25 of 304 (189602)
03-02-2005 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by AdminAsgara
03-01-2005 6:50 PM


Re: cuss words
yeah this isn't about buzzsaw

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Vercingetorix 
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Message 26 of 304 (189603)
03-02-2005 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Admin
03-01-2005 8:19 PM


Re: cuss words
well that answers my fucking question, thanks a fucking shit ton, im so godadmmed relived!
What would you say about racial slurs? womps, micks, dune coons, niggers? since your guidelines are so vague and since"Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach." means i can say shit, fuck, cock, bitch, ass, cunt, whore, or basically whatever i want as long as it isn't directed at anyone.
what do you think about this post:
from ressurected hector
This is like asking a white southerner in the 50's and 60's what rights of the white southerners the gov would violate by ending segregation. The answer should be obvious to thinking people by now, but I guess it will take a while for people to get out of the bigotted mindset.
By the way, I encourage you to get into this discussion with riVeRaT, one of our more famous anti-gay marriage amendments proponents. He will give an answer that will give you a unique perspective into the mindset of a very convinced bigot. I must admit that his answers to a lot of these questions are very original.
implying that others are bigots then naming someone and calling them a bigot is cool by your standards, No thats not personal. I have never seen riverat nor any of his posts (to my knowledge), but i know of him as a bigot from Res-Hector.
please explain this fucking shit as i am trying to fucking figure out what the fuck the rules are here, as the forum guideline are vague as fuck.

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Parasomnium
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Message 27 of 304 (189608)
03-02-2005 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Brad McFall
01-30-2005 5:43 PM


Re: Are we being too hard on people who ask uninformed questions?
Brad Mcfall writes:
Blushingly- i think it {Brad's ideosyncratic prose, P.} the language of the future of science.
In the interest of discussion, would you consider postponing writing in that language until such time as that future comes along? The rest of us here are in the present, and would like you to talk back to us in a way we can comprehend. You have shown that you are perfectly capable of coherent, intelligent conversation, the blushing is appropriate.
The next time we meet, let's speak lingua franca instead of lingua futura, shall we?

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Message 28 of 304 (189617)
03-02-2005 9:42 AM
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03-02-2005 8:57 AM


Vercingetorix's Privileges Suspended
Hi Vercingetorix,
Your posting privileges are suspended.
The moderators are here to help. When you decide you're willing to work with the moderators on a constructive basis please send email to Admin requesting restoration of your posting privileges.

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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 304 (189623)
03-02-2005 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Vercingetorix
03-02-2005 8:57 AM


Re: cuss words
maintain a coolly academic approach." means i can say shit, fuck, cock, bitch, ass, cunt, whore, or basically whatever i want as long as it isn't directed at anyone.
Hi again Ve....torix.
The forum guidelines specify keeping on topic. Like if topic is about science or religion, et al, the subjects listed above would be off topic. Like if topic were about any one of the above subjects, it would be, by the same token, imo, off topic for me to introduce into the topic discussion words like Jerusalem, quazar, automobile, wrench, peat moss, spark plug, et al.
This thread is about moderation, not about the anatomy of humankinds, what humankinds do in bed, what humankinds do on the toilet stool, female dogs and such. Savvy?
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-02-2005 10:33 AM

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custard
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Message 30 of 304 (189664)
03-02-2005 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Parasomnium
03-02-2005 9:19 AM


Re: Are we being too hard on people who ask uninformed questions?
pars writes:
The next time we meet, let's speak lingua franca instead of lingua futura, shall we?
Pars,
you want us to start posting in Latin?

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