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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 38 (417199)
08-19-2007 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ihategod
08-19-2007 2:12 PM


I propose a topic to discuss how the Mods and Admins purposely stifle debate by not allowing an open dialogue.
An uncontrolled dialogue is not an open one. When there's nothing to prevent bad behavior, nothing stops bullies from monopolizing the narrative.
Anarchy, rather than being the freest system, is the least free and stable. Anarchy falls apart at a touch.
I predict only evolutionists (common descent, wizard of oz, etc)
What on Earth does L. Frank Baum have to do with it?

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Ihategod
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Message 17 of 38 (417242)
08-20-2007 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by crashfrog
08-19-2007 9:43 PM


L frank baum
hilarious, it's kind of like how common descent is a story of fanciful imaginings that people actually believed are backed by a giant scary science facts but really its just insignificant god haters pulling strings.
Basically, I have noticed that treatment towards opposing viewpoints of evolution and related philosophy get treatment that to me seems unfair. I'm trying to gather evidence of this phenomenon to produce data affirming my hypothesis. So far I've been met with incredulity.
This thread has nothing to do with Mods or Admins doing their jobs. Rather it has to do with the lack of doing their jobs or of special bias.
This is only a hypothesis and as of the present I haven't heard of any thing to solidify my musings. Although I have had limited time and if my predictions are correct I will soon put together a phylogenic tree of corruptness.

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 38 (417255)
08-20-2007 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 12:37 AM


Re: L frank baum
Rather it has to do with the lack of doing their jobs or of special bias.
Considering the incredible latitude they show creationists around here - turning a blind eye to personal attacks, letting them ignore topic, etc - accusations of moderator bias in favor of evolution are just non-starters. Doesn't pass the smell tests.
Honestly, though, creationists like yourself need the help. You certainly can't be expected to win the debate on the evidence, after all.

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Ihategod
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Message 19 of 38 (417266)
08-20-2007 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
08-20-2007 1:07 AM


Re: L frank baum
I completely disagree.
The "evidence" points towards design not random chance. Try to stay on topic and read the previous posts please.
And as far as i've read i'm the only creationist being my nasty ol' self. MUCH like the vast majority of HOE's around here.
Also, creationists deserve no special "latitude" nor does HOE's deserve the same from a mod or a admin, which is why this thread exists. Truthfully I've never been to a forum with so much bias.

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molbiogirl
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From: MO
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Message 20 of 38 (417270)
08-20-2007 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 1:33 AM


Need I remind what AdminPD said earlier?
Your style of discussion is disrespectful. I suggest you drop the HOE acronym since I suspect there is a less than respectful purpose to it.

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kuresu
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Message 21 of 38 (417271)
08-20-2007 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 1:33 AM


Re: L frank baum
Well, this statement proves it. You know damn all about biology, don't you?
The "evidence" points towards design not random chance.
bolding mine
Evolution isn't random chance, and you should know better than to state that it is. You've created what's known as a "straw man". In other words, a false account of the opponent's position.

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Ihategod
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Message 22 of 38 (417277)
08-20-2007 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by kuresu
08-20-2007 1:45 AM


Re: L frank baum
kuresu instead of trying to argue for the sake of arguing maybe you shouldn't read what you want to read and instead read what's there.
I never said "evolution" was random chance. random chance is a mechanism for evolution or a foundation of the theory. But it all boils down to the same thing. And how do you know I don't know damn all about biology? You psychic?
I could also give a rat's ass about someone's positional feelings being compromised. And what defines him as my "opponent?"
You look about as old as your arguments belie.

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Ihategod
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Message 23 of 38 (417281)
08-20-2007 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by molbiogirl
08-20-2007 1:44 AM


.....
Need I remind what AdminPD said earlier?
You need to quit playing mod as I have pointed out numerous times. I don't need a shadow thank you. And as for what AdminPD said, he'll need to pull RAZD's use of creationosiritss or whatever for that to be fair and not back my theory of corruption. I can easily see how that relates to the spanish conquistidors and there use of Christianity to torture people. If he wants to infer dirty things from my simplification of what evolution is, then I deem that unfair and was going to privately consult with the admins on this matter. So butt out.
Does it matter what I think concerning Mods or Admins? No. But I'll exercise my privelege to bitch. And please stay on topic, k?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 24 of 38 (417282)
08-20-2007 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ihategod
08-19-2007 2:12 PM


I propose a topic to discuss how the Mods and Admins purposely stifle debate by not allowing an open dialogue. I would like people to post excerpts of this very thing happening.
Crush the fascism of the nazi-like regime at EvC. I predict only evolutionists (common descent, wizard of oz, etc)will disagree and thus prove my point. Thank you.
I wonder why the nazi-like fascist administrators, many of whom are creationists by the way, promoted this thread.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's because we could all do with a good laugh.

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kuresu
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Message 25 of 38 (417288)
08-20-2007 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 1:59 AM


Re: L frank baum
well, if you're going to use ad hominem attacks, I may as well.
Your as immature as your writing. See, we can both play this game. No point, really.
Now then, as the whole reading into thing:
crash writes:
You certainly can't be expected to win the debate on the evidence, after all
The evidence crash is talking about is the evidence for the Theory of Evolution. You respond:
vash writes:
The "evidence" points towards design not random chance
Now then, how am I supposed to read your comment? Crash is talking about evolution, and you state that the evidence shows desing, not random chance. Seems to me that you know squat about the actual theory of evolution.
And now you're being just plain stupid:
I could also give a rat's ass about someone's positional feelings being compromised
I'm not talking about "postional feelings". I'm talking about misrepresenting someone's stance on an issue. For example, if I state:
"Stockholm is the capital of Sweden"
but you present my argument (in attempting to rebut):
"He says Stockholm is a city"
You have created a "straw man".
The actual evolution position:
"mutation + natural selection (which is non-random) = evolution"
you state:
"evolution = random chance"
You created the straw man.
And he is your opponent in a debate if he is arguing for a position that is counter to yours (and vice versa).
And one final thing:
You look about as old as your arguments belie
Belie is defined as "to give a false impression of " by merriam webster. You're not using the verb very well.
Secondly, you have managed to use incredulity, ad hominem, and straw men in your arguments. Not what I would call "good arguments". So I don't think you've any room to say my arguments are crap.
And how old do you think I am (without looking at my profile. If you had to begin with, you wouldn't have made so imprecise a statement.)

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Jaderis
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Message 26 of 38 (417296)
08-20-2007 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 2:06 AM


Re: .....
And as for what AdminPD said, he'll need to pull RAZD's use of creationosiritss or whatever for that to be fair and not back my theory of corruption. I can easily see how that relates to the spanish conquistidors and there use of Christianity to torture people.
Wow...just wow.
I think what you are referring to is the use of "creatortionistas."
That is a blend of "creationist and "contortionist." Referring to how creationists have a tendency to twist ("contort") evidence and to twist ("contort") other people's words.
How you got conquistadors from that is just way beyond me.
Martyrdom complex, anyone?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London

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Tusko
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From: London, UK
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Message 27 of 38 (417299)
08-20-2007 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Jaderis
08-20-2007 4:31 AM


Trollage
The person who started this thread is just trolling, isn't s/he?

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molbiogirl
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Message 28 of 38 (417319)
08-20-2007 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Tusko
08-20-2007 6:40 AM


Re: Trollage
I think so, yes.
All of his posts, without exception, are content free. He just jumps on a thread and repeats "Nuh-uh!" or "Cause I said so!" over and over again.

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Tusko
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Message 29 of 38 (417323)
08-20-2007 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by molbiogirl
08-20-2007 9:28 AM


Re: Trollage
I for one vote that the oxygen of publicity be withdrawn immediately, leaving Vashgun in a silent -- and unashamedly fascist -- vacuum.

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molbiogirl
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From: MO
Joined: 06-06-2007


Message 30 of 38 (417338)
08-20-2007 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Tusko
08-20-2007 9:35 AM


Re: Trollage
Oh. I agree. Wholeheartedly.
How to spread the word, tho?
So many rise to the bait.

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