dpardo responds to me:
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You are saying that God's words imply that he admitted it was wicked.
Is this correct?
No, not just an implication. It is a direct admission. Again, you have avoided my direct question.
You seem to be saying that unless the Bible has a verse saying, "I, the lord, your god, being of sound mind and body, do solmenly swear that my actions were wicked," then it doesn't count.
Is that true? Are you unwilling to accept that god thought it was wicked unless you see the specific phrase, "god thought it was wicked"?
Genesis 6:6: And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Exodus 32:14: And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
1 Samuel 15:10: Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
15:11: It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
1 Samuel 15:35: And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.
Jeremiah 18:8: If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Jeremiah 26:3: If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
Jeremiah 42:10: If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.
Amos 7:1: Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me; and, behold, he formed grasshoppers in the beginning of the shooting up of the latter growth; and, lo, it was the latter growth after the king's mowings.
7:2: And it came to pass, that when they had made an end of eating the grass of the land, then I said, O Lord GOD, forgive, I beseech thee: by whom shall Jacob arise? for he is small.
7:3: The LORD repented for this: It shall not be, saith the LORD.
7:4: Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and, behold, the Lord GOD called to contend by fire, and it devoured the great deep, and did eat up a part.
7:5: Then said I, O Lord GOD, cease, I beseech thee: by whom shall Jacob arise? for he is small.
7:6: The LORD repented for this: This also shall not be, saith the Lord GOD.
God repents for wickedness he did or thought about doing
all the time. This is not surprising given the monotheism of Judaism where god is responsible for
everything, including evil, and a philosophy of "an eye for an eye" where you meet wickedness with wickedness of your own.
God is even willing to break the commandment of "Thou shalt not bear false witness":
1 Kings 22:23: Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22: Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.
Jeremiah 20:7: O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.
Ezekiel 14:9: And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
2 Thessalonians 2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
God is not above deliberately messing with a person's mind just so that he can then claim that the man was wicked. God tells Moses that Moses needs to go go Pharaoh and demand to let the Israelites go. But wait, it will all be in vain:
Exodus 4:21: And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Exodus 7:2: Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
7:3: And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:12: And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.
And on and on and on. Plague after plague is sent unto Egypt. After each one, Moses asks Pharaoh to get over himself and let the Israelites go. But Pharaoh never gets the chance to do that for god
MAKES HIM STUBBORN. And what does Pharaoh get for being stubborn? Another plague that eventually kills his own children.
Ten times god hardens Pharaoh's heart and it only leads to his own death.
Now you tell me...if we saw any parent do that to their own child, we'd call him wicked, wouldn't we? Feel free to respond that god is god and can do whatever god wants and I'll agree. As the cliche goes, where does an 800-pound gorilla go to sleep? Anywhere it wants to. But might does not make right.
Wasn't that part of the message of Jesus?
Rrhain
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