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It was legal, not illegal.

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But it was still murder according to you.Right?And you and your girlfrined should be rotting in prison or executed long ago because it should be illegal, if it really is murder.Right?

Lets sum it up a little before we continueanglagard said: regarding unfertilized eggs.then you said: then I said:then you said: Number of Sperm released by the common male animal per ejaculation - Everything2.com
The actual number is 500,000,000 sperms per ejaculation, and each time there is one egg. So its not that one sperm can fertilize the egg but, each sperm. The actual computations are a bit more complex, but, as you can see, getting pregnant usualy isnt very hard (odds are good).

I really don't expect this from you, what a bad analogy.It can't be an accident if speed was the cause of the crash. If anything then this is a point towards what I am saying. It is an evidence of something. Me too

We are not here to lie.
If you want, you can call me on the phone, I will give you my mom's # and you can chat with her. She's a grand old liberal, you'll get along just great.

Does everyone convicted of murder get executed?Isn't it all about intent? It ain't right, that's what I'm saying. Homocide, murder, manslaughter, whatever.I sure fell like I killed someone. The most horrible I ever felt about anything.

Not for the sperm, and not for an egg, when your not having sex.But what I am saying is over the life of a woman, the chances of each and every one of those eggs becoming a babie is slim. Hence the one in a million. (actual mileage may vary)

they dont ALL have to become babies, the he was trying to make is that by your reasoning EACH ONE of them is a potential life.

So you're saying we should stop calling them road traffic accidents? What should we call them? Road Traffic Purposes? If the accident was caused by driver error, it was an accident. The driver did not intend to crash, but did. We generally call that an accident, and that is the way I was using the word. It is an evidence that women have a maternal instinct. If you think it is evidence of anything else, you'll have to develop the argument.This message has been edited by Modulous, Fri, 21-April-2006 06:56 AM

Actually I have no idea why most people post here, but I know for a fact that some have come here to lie.You can send me your mothers phone number at Hawken2003@Yahoo.com or post it here to show everyone your sincerity.You might want to tell her that since you used her as a reference on this site she might get some strange calls.This message has been edited by ts, 04-21-2006 03:06 AM

PS they were talkin about rape. Your response sounds like you think she should get to love her rapist.

We've been through this.
Potential life, and life are 2 different things.

In America we are innocent until proven guilty.
Why should anyone go to jail if it is an accident? If woman can develop a maternal instinct (which is to say that they are mothers) from the very moment of conception, or from the time they find out they are pregnant, what are they a mother of?

No she was talking about her boyfriend who turns out to be an asshole.

Are you referring to speeding being a jailable offense or driving without due care and attention? Or are you talking about any crime? Crimes which are the result of negligence have lesser punishments than crimes which are the result of deliberate malice/whatever.But I'm not talking about crimes (unless unintentionally getting pregnant is a crime?), I'm talking about accidents. If I shunt somebody it is because I was driving too close. An accident, not a purpose.I am talking about risk assesment type affairs. You wanted to know how getting pregnant after intentional sex can be considered an accident. My response was an analogy, a more specific response is that of risk assesment. Whenever I do an activity that entails some risk, I have to consider if I am comfortable with those risks. For example, I risk crashing into a car, or I risk dropping one of the chainsaws I was juggling and cutting off my arm. In these scenarios the risk that could happen is a result of an accident.You might say that I shouldn't juggle chainsaws, and if I do I should have insurance (or be prepared to pay the medical bills myself), but sex is a different creature. It is a natural drive of all mammals (including rats and humans), and trying to stop people having sex is harder than parting the red sea - its not going to happen unless God wills it, and God isn't going to will away someones freewill.As such, as a society, we have to decide how we are going to deal with the inevitable consequences of this situation. On the one hand we could say "We aren't going to treat your STDs because you had sex, so you should suffer the consequences", or we could instead decide to treat STDs and educate the population to try and help reduce the chances of someone contracting the STDs in the first place.The same decisions apply to pregancy, and that leads us nicely to the debate we now find ourselves in. One doesn't need to have a maternal instinct to be a mother. It generally comes with the package of being a woman.

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Technically of course, this is all off topic. I was participating here because I was primarily pointing out the nature of the abortion debate and the strange declarations you made that were supposedly clear or obvious, which aren't clear and obvious, that is what causes the debate in the first place.

Thats what I'm saying - potential life ISN'T life - so the potential of a blastosist (even single celled) to be a baby has nothing to do with life. In other words, the pre-conscience fetus is not alive.