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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...except that in professional science, people become celebrated, admired, and famous for having come up with ideas and concepts which are completely different (yet supported by evidence gathered and tested with good methodology) from what they came up with. Contrast that with clergy; often they have to start a completely new denomination or sect if they view their religion even a teensy bit differently from the one they came from.
quote: Uh, I don't get it. I should judge Christians not by their fruits, but by some idealized image that none of them will ever come close to attaining? No, I think that a good judge of how wonderful Christianity is to judge how it is that people who call themselves Christians behave.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I just joined this Creationist run Yahoo Group on a lark about 4 days ago, and I've already gotten a one week suspension.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CreationEvolutionDesign/ It was for referring to Creationists who purposefully misquote scientists as sometimes engaging in "misleading chicanery".
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
omg what a biased forum.
you're not even allowed to call a lie a lie.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I was accused of calling another poster dishonest, and this was considered grounds for a one week suspension.
The only problem was, I never did that. I asked the poster what they would think of someone who would promote such misquotes. So, I have e-mailed the site owner/moderator to ask them to show me exactly where in my post where I called the other member dishonest, and that I expect an apology when they find they cannot do it. The owner does say he posts private e-mails regarding board issues to the board, but we shall see if he does it this time. I think it's good for me to be at such a site for a bit at least, if only to appreciate how open and free this site is, and also how high the general quality of debate is here. BTW, Zhimbo (my husband) joined that group in order to discuss the misquote issue, and has so far not been suspended, but neither has he made any headway in getting people to even agree that the obvious misquotes were even misquotes. I don't think I will be wasting my time there much longer, as there is no point with such bias and abuse of moderator power.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i thought about jumping in and making some waves myself. but just a cursory examination of the board and it's population proved to not be worth my time.
i mean, heck, they have a bacterial flagellum as their icon. that just screams "i'll listen to anyone who say evolution is wrong!" to me. nevermind that irreducible complexity is a predicted result of evolution, or that said flagellum contains at least one notable subsystem (making it not ic). and, you know, nevermind the fact that behe is not a creationist. second, the board maintainer is taking some time off to write a book called "problems with evolution." like we don't have enough of these sorts of books, all filled with the same drivel and outdated material. is it suddenly every christian's personal little jihad to take a pot shot at this field of science? cause i missed that memo. so, no. it doesn't suprise me at all that you were suspended. you were, after, probably attacking the person who started the board, if indirectly. because i'm willing to bet HE'S promoting those misquotes. ----- added by edit: on second though, maybe i'll join just to mess with every single one of his premises in his book. i found his outline. here's the religion section: iiNet | naked dsl - broadband - adsl - phone - voip 3.1 is "evolution is anti-religion."3.2 is "evolution is religion." both cannot be true. 3.1.3 is "evolution is anti-design." perhaps he's never heard of artificial selection and genetic engineering? these are two VERY effect methods of designing organic beings within the construct of evolution. This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 03-20-2005 10:25 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
also, i've so far failed to figure what level his "biology degree" is. considering that he completed it in two years time, i don't imagine it could be very high level, and seems to take place WELL after his mind's already been made up. looks kind of suspicious.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hey, be my guest and join. Don't say you weren't warned.
They don't take very well to Theistic Evolutionists, however.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
yeah, i sort of noticed that from his book outline.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You know what else we noticed just recently?
The owner of the group publishes a website that consists of a huge list of quotes related to Evolution vs Creationism! I had no idea when I brought up the misquote that was someone's sig quote, but that explains why he went so postal and suspended me for a week. I was essentially saying that people who misquote in order to mislead are engaging in dishonest chicanery, LIKE HIM! LOL
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
this list? iiNet | naked dsl - broadband - adsl - phone - voip
i told you he took personal offense at it. i wonder if he's ever had any RELIGIOUS debate regarding creationism. i really am half tempted to go do some pwnage over there.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Yes, that list! LOL!
You were totally right. And yes, I think he regualrly spars with a YEC on the list...the same one who's misquote I objected to, IIRC. I doubt that anybody over there has the theology and Biblical scholorship background that you do. At least, I haven't seen any discussion of that nature yet. Mostly they pick at each other over surface things.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
And yes, I think he regualrly spars with a YEC on the list...the same one who's misquote I objected to, IIRC. i think i'd really piss him off. i'm "sort of" a yec. i think the bible definitally supports a young earth, and that days in genesis 1 are literal. i just think the bible is wrong about that.
I doubt that anybody over there has the theology and Biblical scholorship background that you do. eh, i just pretend. i wish i had better background. one of these days i'll learn hebrew.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I wish I could pretend the way you do, that's all I'm gonna say.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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Something I posted at the "What if this forum was dominated by creationists?" topic last September (message 2):
Minnemooseus writes: Subtitle was: A forum dominated by creationists Bot Verification Possibly the finest collection of heads up asses you will ever find. The above was a follow up of sorts of something I had posted August 7, 2013, in the Private Administration Forum as as PAF PNT of sorts. That message is as follows: Topic title was: Minnemooseus banned at evolutionfairytales
Minnemooseus writes: The EFT topic that did the trick:
Logical Fallacies By Evolutionists I did one message in that topic, which was a reply to Sammy7's message one. My reply(message 27):
quote:quote: Fred Williams banning message (message 31):
quote:quote: The links is Fred's reply are either missing or bad (I just did a text copy). Go to the source if you feel the need. Moose I was hesitant, especially being an admin here, to be posting a slagging of another forum. But I do believe that Evolution Fairytales deserves all the slagging it can get. By the way, they not only banned my ID, they also banned my primary IP number. Thus I have to go through a proxy server to even see what the fools are currently up to. That also totally mucks up me collecting any links to things at EFT, unless I go elsewhere to a different IP. I have more EFT slagging in mind, but that will wait for a possible later message. MooseProfessor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
I got banned there a couple of years ago. It seems that merely discussing a subject is enough to be banned. The admin is simply a bully who is determined to keep scientific opinion off his forum. He likes to preach only to the converted.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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