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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
you say it's a rare occurrence, that it is well known to happen but rarely, (indicating it happens on several occasions but not in any great numbers) surely for and true religious significance, should it not have been a singular unprecedented un-natural occurrence that normall laws of plannetry motion could not explain? Ie it would have been far more conclusive if a number of celestial bodies suddenly broke their normal orbits and lined up above the point of significance in the shape of a giant arrow and then blinked on an off like the sign on a cheep motel?
This message has been edited by ohnhai, 01-18-2005 11:35 AM
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5612 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
ohnhai, A star in the sky could be a man made satellight that twinkles in the night sky. The planets are called the wandering stars by astronomers. Its how these planet align that cause planetary conjunctions meaning a combined brighter light in the night sky. I'm not sure of the Prophecy that caused the wisemen to realize it was the sign of our Saviors birth. In the book of Genesis it says the celestrial bodies would be for signs. kjv genesis 1:14 These conjunctions were the lights in the heavens heralding the coming of our Lord.
http://www.earthsky.com/teachers/articles/articles.php?id...
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
Putting the definition of a ‘star’ aside for a mo( I wasn’t being that serious) the point I was making was how can you pin anything significant on planet alignments that are a product of their procession? Even by the time of supposed birth of Jesus. The procession of the planets was well observed and predictable. Hell even ancient Neolithic man could do that in regard to sun and moon, by the time we get to the Egyptian empire the whole shooting match (in regard to the bodies they knew exited) was well known.
As these alignments are an ongoing predictable result of planarity motion, and though rare are simple products of procession, giving them any significance of religious implication seem to me ridiculous. This message has been edited by ohnhai, 01-18-2005 12:23 AM
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36Christians Inactive Junior Member |
When did Ahaziah son of Jehoram begin his reign in Judah? The 11th year (2Kings 9:29) The 12th year (2Kings 8:25) As we can see in II Kings 8:16, the concept of a co-regency was not an unfamiliar one to the Children of Israel. Most of the supposed contradictions between the books of Kings and Chronicles are consistent with this fact. One must read the passages in question carefully to determine whether the dates given are those of a co-regency. II Chronicles 21:12-20 tells us that Ahaziah's father was sick of a sore disease for two years before dying. It is very probable that Ahaziah was made co-regent in Jehoram's eleventh year and sole regent in his twelfth year.
How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign? 8 (2Chronicles 36:9) 18 (2Kings 24:8) Jehoiachin's co-regency is explained in Ezekiel 19. There it is explained that he was made a "young lion" to learn how to be a "lion" or a king.
How long did Jotham reign in Jerusalem? 16 years (2Kings15:33) At least 20 years (2Kings 15:30) Jotham reigned for 16 years after his father's death, but he also ruled in his father's stead after Uzziah was smitten with leprosy for attempting to enter the Holy place of God unlawfully (II Chronicles 26:16-27:1).
How many stalls did Solomon have for his horses? 4,000 (2Chronicles 9:25) 40,000 (1Kings 4:26) As stated in the verses, Solomon had 4,000 stalls that housed both chariots and horses. These stalls were then sub-divided to accomodate 40,000 horses. So Solomon had 40,000 stalls for his horses. Sorry for the delay. We are attempting to work out each problem as a class before posting our solution. We are still working on the others and will post our reply as soon as we are able. Thank you for your patience.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Well since you can only answer these problems by producing rather dubious excuses (the ne about Solomon's stables is a hoot !) your contention that the Bible is inerrant is not exactly well supported. In fact the evidnece is strongly against it.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4165 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
And I think the truly scary part is that they really think they've answered the questions. They believe that their "explanatons" have addressed the errors. How that is possible, I do not know...Sad.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 632 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, what evidence do you have the eziekel 19 is talking about Jehoiachin at all, or has anything to do with co-regency?? It looks like you are trying to take passages out of context to try to resolve things that are contradictions.
So, without taking just a couple of words out of context, could you demonstrate how this was about Jehoiachin? Also, please quote chapter and verse on how 2 Kings 8:16 shows there can be a co-regency?? It looks like you are taking things out of context to try to sow togather a leaking vessel, but make more holes when you do so.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4979 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi 36,
As stated in the verses, Solomon had 4,000 stalls that housed both chariots and horses. These stalls were then sub-divided to accomodate 40,000 horses. So Solomon had 40,000 stalls for his horses. This is based on what exactly? I would like to think that your teacher would be rather upset with the answer 'As stated in the verses, Solomon had 4,000 stalls that housed both chariots and horses. These stalls were then sub-divided to accomodate 40,000 horses. So Solomon had 40,000 stalls for his horses. Surely your teacher has instructed you to support everything you say? To simply make a statement without any supporting evidence is no an answer at all. As Solomon's stables have never been found, is this 'sub-dividing' of stalls into ten smaller stalls supported from any other archaeological evidence? Are there any examples at all, anywhere in the ancient near east, of stalls built in this sub-divided fashion? Let me begin your answer, the 4000 stalls were divided into ten smaller stalls because....... Oh BTW, your post 37 is incorrect when it states that: There is really only one King James Version of the Bible (not counting the NKJV) You failed to mention the 21st century KJV. Brian.
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Cthulhu Member (Idle past 5872 days) Posts: 273 From: Roe Dyelin Joined: |
Locusts use all six fricking legs to walk. Not four. You are wrong. Is it that damned hard to admit it?
Proudly attempting to Google-Bomb Kent "The Lying Dumbass" Hovind's website Lying Dumbass
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5612 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Cthulhu, It only uses two of its appendages for leaping. The other 4 appendages are for creeping. This is all the bible is saying, it says it has two legs used for jumping above the 4 creeping feet.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
This is all the bible is saying, it says it has two legs used for jumping above the 4 creeping feet. They're not above them; they're behind them.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5612 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
crashfrog, They might be behind but they are also above.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5928 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
36Christians
I know you have been inundated and you doubtless missed my previous post, however I would ask for you guys to try this onee on for size.
Exd 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which [are] in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring [them] unto me. Exd 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which [were] in their ears, and brought [them] unto Aaron. Exd 32:4 And he received [them] at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These [be] thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. The gold is melted and formed into a calf idol.
And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount. Exd 32:20 And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt [it] in the fire, and ground [it] to powder, and strawed [it] upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink [of it]. Who wishes to show us the how this action was accomplished?{burning a golden calf into powder}? Such a feat is impossible by any means they could have possibly acquired while in exile in the desert.Gold has a boiling Point of 2807.0 C (3080.15 K, 5084.6 F) which would be necessary to reduce it to a substance that could be ground. To give you some grasp of this propane burns at a maximum flame temperature in air of 3595 deg F.This is 1500 degrees F short of the necessary temperature.It would require the resources of an oxy-acetylene torch to attain the necessary temperature for this.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Good, I, for one, am glad that you are taking your time.
When you do get time perhaps you can get to the interpretations of Genesis that you support? If it's a 6,000 year old earth. You could show why the scientific dating is wrong.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
The translators in 1611 made a proper name out of a word that wasn't a proper name in the Latin Vulgate. my jps edition has their translation ("shining one" i think) capitalized, and has a footnote saying "a character in some lost myth." i have no idea where they got this idea or upon what it is based. but they seem to think it's a proper noun. it may just be the influence of christianity, and is total bullshit. maybe amlodhi would know?
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