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mikehager
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Message 16 of 301 (171732)
12-27-2004 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by PecosGeorge
12-27-2004 12:27 PM


Unbelievers.
Unbelievers are like the sand of the sea? That's inane. Believers far outnumber atheists everywhere in the world.
It's amazing how the closed system of Christianity has some dodge for everything.

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jar
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Message 17 of 301 (171757)
12-27-2004 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by mike the wiz
12-27-2004 12:11 PM


So you think what Jesus said - and Isaiah - is absurd?
What Isaiah was talking about were contemporary events, not so end of the earth fiction.
Do you also ignore the fact that Buz has talked of natural calamities increasing - before this event?
Yup, he certainly has. And as is usual, he has been unable to show any such increase. The numbers just ain't there, son. It's all Blowing Smoke.
Can you prove otherwise as to biblical prophecies seemingly coming to pass?
Well, Mike, so far neither you or Buz have been able to show even ONE Biblical prophecy that has come true.
2. To all freethinkers; When coincidences increase, like with the Jews coming back to their land, and natural cisasters - as said in the bible, do you weigh these things up or ignore them because of your preconceptions?
Frankly, it scares the hell out of me. Not the events mind you, but that there are people who can believe such things and act on them. It is Hitler and the Holocaust writ large, it is every atrocity ever committed rolled up in one, it is the one possible threat to the continuation of the human race that is likely to happen. It will be STUPIDITY TRIUMPHANT.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ramoss
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Message 18 of 301 (171810)
12-27-2004 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
12-26-2004 8:28 PM


YOu do realise that earthquakes happen all the time. An earthquake of this magnatude happened a mere 40 years ago. Several of this magnatude happen in a century. This is true now, it was true 2000 years ago, it was 3000 , it was true 10,000 years ago.
Undoubtably, bigger earthquakes happened, and it will happen again.

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Message 19 of 301 (171814)
12-27-2004 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by mike the wiz
12-27-2004 12:11 PM


Yes, I think what buz and yours interpretation of what Isaiah said is absurd. Do you think they didn't have earthquakes 2500 to 3000 years ago?
I have seen no evidence that the incidence of calamaties has increased. The impact an earthquake or a tsunami will be greater, because there are more people, and we have better communications now, so we can hear the disasters more too.

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sidelined
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Message 20 of 301 (171821)
12-28-2004 12:30 AM
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12-26-2004 8:28 PM


buzzsaw
So just when do you take in the beginning of the end times as having begun?
Check out this list of historical earthquakes. From this site http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/10maps_world.html
Location Date UTC Magnitude Coordinates
1. Chile 1960 05 22 9.5 38.24 S 73.05 W
2. Prince William Sound, Alaska 1964 03 28 9.2 61.02 N 147.65 W
3. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 1957 03 09 9.1 51.56 N 175.39 W
4. Kamchatka 1952 11 04 9.0 52.76 N 160.06 E
4. Off the West Coast of Northern Sumatra 2004 12 26 9.0 3.30 N 95.78 E
6. Off the Coast of Ecuador 1906 01 31 8.8 1.0 N 81.5 W
7. Rat Islands, Alaska 1965 02 04 8.7 51.21 N 178.50 E
8. Assam - Tibet 1950 08 15 8.6 28.5 N 96.5 E
9. Kamchatka 1923 02 03 8.5 54.0 N 161.0 E
10. Banda Sea, Indonesia 1938 02 01 8.5 5.05 S 131.62 E
11. Kuril Islands 1963 10 13 8.5 44.9 N 149.6 E
The quake in the news {#4} is only a recent quake in modern times,so which of the above do you wish to use as the starting point for your end times prediction? 1906? 1960?
Which of these is the bible refering to buz?
How about by numbeer of deaths? From the same place
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqsmajr.html
Earthquakes with 1,000 or More Deaths from 1900
Date UTC Location Deaths Magnitude Comments
1902 Apr 19 Guatemala
14 N 91 W 2,000 7.5
1902 Dec 16 Turkestan
40.8 N 72.6 E 4,500 6.4
1903 Apr 19 Turkey
39.1 N 42.4 E 1,700
1903 Apr 28 Turkey
39.1 N 42.5 E 2,200 6.3
1905 Apr 4 India, Kangra
33.0 N 76.0 E 19,000 8.6
1905 Sep 8 Italy, Calabria
39.4 N 16.4 E 2,500 7.9
1906 Jan 31 Colombia-Ecuador
1 N 81.5 W 1,000 8.8
1906 Mar 16 Formosa, Kagi
(Taiwan)
23.6 N 120.5 E 1,300 7.1
1906 Aug 17 Chile, Valparaiso
33 S 72 W 20,000 8.2
1907 Jan 14 Jamaica, Kingston
18.2 N 76.7 W 1,600 6.5
1907 Oct 21 Central Asia
38 N 69 E 12,000 8.1
1908 Dec 28 Italy, Messina
38 N 15.5 E 70,000
to 100,000 7.2 Deaths from earthquake and tsunami.
1909 Jan 23 Iran
33.4 N 49.1 E 5,500 7.3
1912 Aug 9 Marmara Sea
40.5 N 27 E 1,950 7.8
1915 Jan 13 Italy, Avezzano
42 N 13.5 E 29,980 7.5
1917 Jan 21 Indonesia, Bali
8.0 S 115.4 E 15,000
1917 Jul 30 China
28.0 N 104.0 E 1,800 6.5
1918 Feb 13 China, Kwangtung
(Guangdong)
23.5 N 117.0 E 10,000 7.3
1920 Dec 16 China, Gansu
35.8 N 105.7 E 200,000 8.6 Major fractures, landslides.
1923 Mar 24 China
31.3 N 100.8 E 5,000 7.3
1923 May 25 Iran
35.3 N 59.2 E 2,200 5.7
1923 Sep 1 Japan, Kanto
35.0 N 139.5 E 143,000 7.9 Great Tokyo fire.
1925 Mar 16 China, Yunnan
25.5 N 100.3 E 5,000 7.1 Talifu almost completely destroyed.
1927 Mar 7 Japan, Tango
35.8 N 134.8 E 3,020 7.6
1927 May 22 China, Tsinghai
36.8 N 102.8 E 200,000 7.9 Large fractures.
1929 May 1 Iran
38 N 58 E 3,300 7.4
1930 May 6 Iran
38.0 N 44.5 E 2,500 7.2
1930 Jul 23 Italy
41.1 N 15.4 E 1,430 6.5
1931 Mar 31 Nicaragua
13.2 N 85.7 W 2,400 5.6
1932 Dec 25 China, Gansu
39.7 N 97.0 E 70,000 7.6
1933 Mar 2 Japan, Sanriku
39.0 N 143.0 E 2,990 8.4
1933 Aug 25 China
32.0 N 103.7 E 10,000 7.4
1934 Jan 15 India, Bihar-Nepal
26.6 N 86.8 E 10,700 8.1
1935 Apr 20 Formosa
24.0 N 121.0 E 3,280 7.1
1935 May 30 Pakistan, Quetta
29.6 N 66.5 E 30,000
to 60,000 7.5 Quetta almost completely destroyed.
1935 Jul 16 Taiwan
24.4 N 120.7 E 2,700 6.5
1939 Jan 25 Chile, Chillan
36.2 S 72.2 W 28,000 8.3
1939 Dec 26 Turkey, Erzincan
39.6 N 38 E 30,000 7.8
1940 Nov 10 Romania
45.8 N 26.8 E 1,000 7.3
1942 Nov 26 Turkey
40.5 N 34.0 E 4,000 7.6
1942 Dec 20 Turkey, Erbaa
40.9 N 36.5 E 3,000 7.3 Some reports of 1,000 killed.
1943 Sep 10 Japan, Tottori
35.6 N 134.2 E 1,190 7.4
1943 Nov 26 Turkey
41.0 N 33.7 E 4,000 7.6
1944 Jan 15 Argentina, San Juan
31.6 S 68.5 W 5,000 7.8 Reports of as many as 8,000 killed.
1944 Feb 1 Turkey
41.4 N 32.7 E 2,800 7.4 Reports of as many as 5,000 killed.
1944 Dec 7 Japan, Tonankai
33.7 N 136.2 E 1,000 8.1
1945 Jan 12 Japan Mikawa
34.8 N 137.0 E 1,900 7.1
1945 Nov 27 Iran
25.0 N 60.5 E 4,000 8.2
1946 May 31 Turkey
39.5 N 41.5 E 1,300 6.0
1946 Nov 10 Peru, Ancash
8.3 S 77.8 W 1,400 7.3 Landslides, great destruction.
1946 Dec 20 Japan, Tonankai
32.5 N 134.5 E 1,330 8.1
1948 Jun 28 Japan, Fukui
36.1 N 136.2 E 5,390 7.3
1948 Oct 5 USSR
(Turkmenistan, Ashgabat)
38.0 N 58.3 E 110,000 7.3
1949 Aug 5 Ecuador, Ambato
1.2 S 78.5 E 6,000 6.8 Large landslides, topographical changes.
1950 Aug 15 India, Assam, Tibet
28.7 N 96.6 E 1,530 8.6 Great topographical changes, landslides, floods.
1954 Sep 9 Algeria, Orleansville
36 N 1.6 E 1,250 6.8
1957 Jun 27 USSR
(Russia)
56.3 N 116.5 E 1,200
1957 Jul 2 Iran
36.2 N 52.7 E 1,200 7.4
1957 Dec 13 Iran
34.4 N 47.6 E 1,130 7.3
1960 Feb 29 Morocco, Agadir
30 N 9 W 10,000
to 15,000 5.7 Occurred at shallow depth just under city.
1960 May 22 Chile
39.5 S 74.5 W 4,000
to 5,000 9.5* Tsunami, volcanic activity, floods.
1962 Sep 1 Iran, Qazvin
35.6 N 49.9 E 12,230 7.3
1963 Jul 26 Yugoslavia, Skopje
42.1 N 21.4 E 1,100 6.0 Occurred at shallow depth just under city.
1966 Aug 19 Turkey, Varto
39.2 N 41.7 E 2,520 7.1
1968 Aug 31 Iran
34.0 N 59.0 E 12,000
to 20,000 7.3
1969 Jul 25 Eastern China
21.6 N 111.9 E 3,000 5.9
1970 Jan 4 Yunnan Province, China
24.1 N 102.5 E 10,000 7.5
1970 Mar 28 Turkey, Gediz
39.2 N 29.5 E 1,100 7.3
1970 May 31 Peru
9.2 S 78.8 W 66,000 7.9 $530,000 damage, great rock slide, floods.
1972 Apr 10 Iran, southern
28.4 N 52.8 E 5,054 7.1
1972 Dec 23 Nicaragua, Managua
12.4 N 86.1 W 5,000 6.2
1974 May 10 China
28.2 N 104.0 E 20,000 6.8
1974 Dec 28 Pakistan
35.0 N 72.8 E 5,300 6.2
1975 Feb 4 China
40.6 N 122.5 E 10,000 7.0
1975 Sep 6 Turkey
38.5 N 40.7 E 2,300 6.7
1976 Feb 4 Guatemala
15.3 N 89.1 W 23,000 7.5
1976 May 6 Italy, northeastern
46.4 N 13.3 E 1,000 6.5
1976 Jun 25 West Irian
(New Guinea)
4.6 S 140.1 E 422 7.1 5,000 to 9,000 missing and presumed dead.
1976 Jul 27 China, Tangshan
39.6 N 118.0 E 255,000
(official) 7.5 Estimated death toll as high as 655,000.
1976 Aug 16 Philippines, Mindanao
6.3 N 124.0 E 8,000 7.9
1976 Nov 24 Northwest
Iran-USSR border
39.1 N 44.0 E 5,000 7.3 Deaths estimated.
1977 Mar 4 Romania
45.8 N 26.8 E 1,500 7.2
1978 Sep 16 Iran
33.2 N 57.4 E 15,000 7.8
1980 Oct 10 Algeria, El Asnam
(formerly Orleansville)
36.1 N 1.4 E 3,500 7.7
1980 Nov 23 Italy, southern
40.9 N 15.3 E 3,000 7.2
1981 Jun 11 Iran, southern
29.9 N 57.7 E 3,000 6.9
1981 Jul 28 Iran, southern
30.0 N 57.8 E 1,500 7.3
1982 Dec 13 Western Arabian Peninsula
14.7 N 44.4 E 2,800 6.0
1983 Oct 30 Turkey
40.3 N 42.2 E 1,342 6.9
1985 Sep 19 Mexico, Michoacan
18.2 N 102.5 W 9,500
(official) 8.0 Estimated death toll as high as 30,000.
1986 Oct 10 El Salvador
13.8 N 89.2 W 1,000+ 5.5
1987 Mar 6 Colombia-Ecuador
0.2 N 77.8 W 1,000+ 7.0
1988 Aug 20 Nepal-India border region
26.8 N 86.6 E 1,450 6.6
1988 Dec 7 Armenia, Spitak
41.0 N 44.2 E 25,000 6.8
1990 Jun 20 Western Iran
37.0 N 49.4 E 40,000
to 50,000 7.7 Landslides.
1990 Jul 16 Luzon, Philippine Islands
15.7 N 121.2 E 1,621 7.8 Landslides, subsidence, and sandblows.
1991 Oct 19 Northern India
30.8 N 78.8 E 2,000 7.0
1992 Dec 12 Flores Region, Indonesia
8.5 S 121.9 E 2,500 7.5 Tsunami ran inland 300 meters; wave height 25 meters.
1993 Sep 29 India, Latur-Killari
18.1 N 76.5 E 9,748 6.2
1995 Jan 16 Japan, Kobe
34.6 N 135 E 5,502 6.9 Landslide, liquifaction.
1995 May 27 Sakhalin Island
52.6 N 142.8 E 1,989 7.5
1997 May 10 Northern Iran
33.9 N 59.7 E 1,560 7.5 4,460 injured, 60,000 homeless.
1998 Feb 04 Afghanistan-Tajikistan
Border Region
37.1 N 70.1 E 2,323 6.1 818 injured, 8,094 houses destroyed, 6,725 livestock killed.
1998 May 30 Afghanistan-Tajikistan
Border Region
37.1 N 70.1 E 4,000 6.9 At least 4,000 people killed, many thousands injured and homeless in Badakhshan and Takhar Provinces, Afghanistan.
1998 Jul 17 Papua New Guinea,
2.96 S 141.9 E 2,183 7.0 Thousands injured, about 9,500 homeless and about 500 missing as a result of a tsunami with maximum wave heights estimated at 10 meters.
1999 Jan 25 Colombia
4.46 N 75.82 W 1,185 6.2 Over 700 missing and presumed killed, over 4,750 injured and about 250,000 homeless.
1999 Aug 17 Turkey
40.7 N 30.0 E 17,118 7.6 At least 50,000 injured, thousands homeless. Damage estimate at 3 to 6.5 billion USD.
1999 Sep 20 Taiwan
23.7 N 121.0 E 2,297 7.7 Over 8,700 injured, over 600,000 homeless. Damage estimate at 14 billion USD.
2001 Jan 26 India
23.3 N 70.3 E 20,023 7.7 166,836 injured, 600,000 homeless.
2002 Mar 25 Hindu Kush Region, Afghanistan
35.9 N 69.2 E 1,000 6.1 4,000 injured, 1,500 houses destroyed in the Nahrin area. Approximately 20,000 people homeless.
2003 May 21 Northern Algeria
36.90 N 3.71 E 2,266 6.8 10,261 injured, 150,000 homeless, more than 1,243 buildings damaged or destroyed.
2003 Dec 26 Southeastern Iran
28.99 N 58.31 E 26,200 6.6 30,000 injured, 85 percent of buildings damaged or destroyed and infrastructure damaged in the Bam area
* Recomputed magnitude
Data compiled from several sources.
How about deaths greater than 50,000?
Most Destructive Known Earthquakes on Record in the World
Earthquakes with 50,000 or More Deaths
Listed in order of greatest number of deaths
Date Location Deaths Magnitude Comments
January 23, 1556 China, Shansi 830,000 ~8
July 27, 1976 China, Tangshan 255,000
(official) 7.5 Estimated death toll as high as 655,000.
August 9, 1138 Syria, Aleppo 230,000
May 22, 1927 China, near Xining 200,000 7.9 Large fractures.
December 22, 856+ Iran, Damghan 200,000
December 16, 1920 China, Gansu 200,000 8.6 Major fractures, landslides.
March 23, 893+ Iran, Ardabil 150,000
September 1, 1923 Japan, Kwanto 143,000 7.9 Great Tokyo fire.
October 5, 1948 USSR
(Turkmenistan, Ashgabat) 110,000 7.3
December 28, 1908 Italy, Messina 70,000 to 100,000
(estimated) 7.2 Deaths from earthquake and tsunami.
September, 1290 China, Chihli 100,000
November, 1667 Caucasia, Shemakha 80,000
November 18, 1727 Iran, Tabriz 77,000
November 1, 1755 Portugal, Lisbon 70,000 8.7 Great tsunami.
December 25, 1932 China, Gansu 70,000 7.6
May 31, 1970 Peru 66,000 7.9 $530,000 damage, great rock slide, floods.
1268 Asia Minor, Silicia 60,000
January 11, 1693 Italy, Sicily 60,000
May 30, 1935 Pakistan, Quetta 30,000 to 60,000 7.5 Quetta almost completely destroyed.
February 4, 1783 Italy, Calabria 50,000
June 20, 1990 Iran 50,000 7.7 Landslides.
+ Note that these dates are prior to 1000 AD. No digit is missing.
NOTE: Some sources list an earthquake that killed 300,00 people in Calcutta, India, on October 11, 1737.
Recent studies indicate that these casualties were most likely due to a cyclone, not an earthquake.
(Source: The 1737 Calcutta Earthquake and Cyclone Evaluated by Roger Bilham, BSSA, Vol. 84, No. 5, 1650-1657, October 1994)
Data compiled from several sources.
C'mon buz pick a date.

A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun
Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?'
This raised his doubts to such a pitch
He fell distracted in the ditch
Not knowing how to run.

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Abshalom
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Message 21 of 301 (171922)
12-28-2004 2:33 PM


Quake Before the Puss
I would submit that maybe Buzz has the cart before the horse. Seems the big quake comes at the end of a series of horrible events leading up to the End.
According to one of Buz's sources, a summary of the "seven bowls of wrath" are as follows:
1st bowl: Ugly painful sores, recently postulated by fundies to be a result of nuclear war or chemical war.
2nd bowl: Oceans totally polluted and sea life dies.
3rd bowl: All fresh water is polluted. I think the most likely cause of these second two events will be the unbridled rape of natural resources by fundementalists who rationalize their actions by their belief in Genesis's granting of man's dominance over his environment, and Revelation's promise of 1000 years of paradise for believers.
4th bowl: Intense heat from the sun. This one obviously could wipe man out before the Big Quake!
5th bowl: Dark clouds cover the planet. Again, the fundimaniacs think this could be the result of nuclear war. I personally think it will be a cloud of greenhouse gas.
6th bowl: Euphrates River becomes completely dry; armies gather for Armageddon. Well, if the river dries up, we could certainly move our troops out of Iraq and into the Levant a lot quicker.
7th bowl: Greatest earthquake in history; all cities collapse in a global earthquake; the final blow against Babylon the Great. Here's Buz's big quake, folks.
Now, how many of the first 6 bowls have poured out prior to the devastating quake that killed so many unfortunate souls around the Indian Ocean's rim?

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contracycle
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Message 22 of 301 (171925)
12-28-2004 3:00 PM


Besides which, science clearly predicted such quakes too, and with much greater insight. We have many records of these sorts of events. So if this is claimed as some validation of prediction, sciences' predictions were still better.
Even worse for Buzsaw, this event shows just why the wide distribution of flood myths might be so wide, eh?
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Buzsaw
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Message 23 of 301 (171955)
12-28-2004 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by wj
12-27-2004 1:29 AM


Re: Topic
I think it is opportunism of the lowest sort for someone to use the tragic death of at least 15,000 people and injury and damage to countless tens of thousands more as justification for their own religious beliefs.
Topic is about end time events and earthquakes relative to Biblical prophecy. I see your response as an off topic attack aimed at the poster, when you should be addressing the op topic.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 24 of 301 (171974)
12-28-2004 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by arachnophilia
12-27-2004 5:52 AM


EVERY earthquake shakes the whole planet.
I would be interested in some authoritative documentation to this claim. I assume that when you say, EVERY that you do mean all earthquakes of all magnitudes.
I see the similarity of the Biblical text in Isaiah to that of scientific observation as quoted in the news of the event as significant, so far as the Bible making science sense.
also, isaiah is operating off a faulty idea of the earth. it does not a foundation in the sense he means it.
Since it was Isaiah who spoke of the circular/spherical earth, I would assume he meant by it, fixed position or orbit, relative to the other spherical bodies which were observable, such as the sun and moon. By the same token, one might say when a satellite is place in it's orbit, it has a fixed/foundational position in space.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 301 (171985)
12-28-2004 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Andya Primanda
12-27-2004 9:32 AM


I agree. His opportunism is sickening.
And it's more offensive to me because it's some 4.500 lives of my fellow countrymen he's using just to prove he's 'right'.
Andya, exactly what in my op makes you sick? This is a big news event and significant to Biblical statements about earthquakes in general. We creationists are constantly badgered by you people to show where our Bible prophecies and science related statements are valid and believable. That's all this thread is about. I think, rather, that you are seeing this as an opportunity for you to belittle a poster who's views are not like yours. Isn't that what you're about here? I'm as saddened as you are about the horrific loss of life to the poor victims of this tradgedy. I have dear friends who live and translate in Indonesia whom we help support. Thankfully they were on furlough in the states when this hit, but their home, church and friends in Indonesia may well have been affected by this. I haven't talked to them since, but am anxious to know. I fail to see what I've said that would support the oportunism charges you are alleging.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 301 (171997)
12-28-2004 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by mike the wiz
12-27-2004 8:47 AM


I believe Buz mentioned such events on earth in another topic, hence his talk about such natural calamities preceded this thread. I'd like to know what that means to freethinkers.
Right on, good bud. I've talked about these things from time to time and this event is of special interest to me, and imo, relative to Biblical prophecy concerning end time events.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 301 (172007)
12-28-2004 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by sidelined
12-28-2004 12:30 AM


Re: Pick A Date, Buz
So just when do you take in the beginning of the end times as having begun?
First of all, I've been careful to avoid a declaration that Armageddon and the return Jesus is imminent. Some of things which must preceed these have not yet occurred, but the aggregate of events predicted seem to be emerging, catastrophic earthquakes being just one. More significant are Mid East events and the emergence of the nation of Israel, to where Jesus is prophesied to return.
I appreciate your list of earthquakes, but it covers, for the most part, the last century. The tenet of my op is that there will be a future escalation of seismic activity on the planet as end times progress and this kind of thing is, imo, somewhat relevant. Unfortunately, we don't have a very good record of quakes, so far as I am aware, of the last five centuries.
Judging from the frequency of significant quakes in the last century, it seems to me that if that average frequency had been occuring for the last two or three thousand years, by now the earth's crust would by now be fairly pulverized. Is that overstated? If the earth is 4.5 billion years old, I should think the frequency of earthquakes in the last century would be very hard to explain, relative to earth's alleged age.
C'mon buz pick a date
Picking a date foolishness. The end time, i.e. end of the age is not prophesied to happen in a literal day. Yes, the day of the Lord's actual advent to earth is a literal day, but the end time events leading up to that begin subtilly and slowly, gradually escalating to the time of the return of Jesus. In a graph, yes, you will find surges and slowdowns but the aggregate of various events will begin to be observable as predicted in the Bible. I believe the industrial revolution in the mid 19th century has been significant. Since that period, a number of Biblical prophecies have been emerging.
Volcanic activity seems to be emerging in America where it has been relatively quiet for a long time. Significant things are happening in the Yellowstone, namely, Jackson Hole, as well as St Mt Hellens, for example. I haven't seen any charts on volcanic activity yet, as to their frequency globally. Jesus, referring to earthquakes, used the word, diverse or various, depending on translation, but the connotation seems to be indicative of a wider and more varied locality of seismic activity.
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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 28 of 301 (172012)
12-28-2004 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by ramoss
12-27-2004 9:36 PM


YOu do realise that earthquakes happen all the time. An earthquake of this magnatude happened a mere 40 years ago. Several of this magnatude happen in a century. This is true now, it was true 2000 years ago, it was 3000, it was true 10,000 years ago.
Undoubtably, bigger earthquakes happened, and it will happen again.
The question comes to mind, how many 600 mile long crunches, such as this event was, can a tectonic plate sustain in thousands of years without disintegrating?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 301 (172026)
12-28-2004 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Abshalom
12-28-2004 2:33 PM


Re: Quake Before the Puss
I would submit that maybe Buzz has the cart before the horse. Seems the big quake comes at the end of a series of horrible events leading up to the End.
Really? Specifically what in my op implicates the cart before the horse? For going on two years here, I've had the horse pulling the cart, the series of events preceeding the biggie quake, Armageddon and the 2nd advent of Jesus. Maybe you need to dig up some archives and read me, my friend.
According to one of Buz's sources, a summary of the "seven bowls of wrath" are as follows:
1st bowl: Ugly painful sores, recently postulated by fundies to be a result of nuclear war or chemical war.
Postulated? Suggesting a possibility of, would be more fitting for my position on this, and I believe, also a better description of my post, according to my recollection.
2nd bowl: Oceans totally polluted and sea life dies.
3rd bowl: All fresh water is polluted. I think the most likely cause of these second two events will be the unbridled rape of natural resources by fundementalists who rationalize their actions by their belief in Genesis's granting of man's dominance over his environment, and Revelation's promise of 1000 years of paradise for believers.
Wha....?? Scuse me, but we're all polluters on this planet, not just the fundies. My past remarks pertaining to "dominance" was, if I recollect, relative to animals. What has that got to do with pollution of waters?
4th bowl: Intense heat from the sun. This one obviously could wipe man out before the Big Quake!
Not necessarily, and Biblically all of mankind will not die off. Oppressive heat causing widespread drout will not necessarily wipe out mankind nor will it mean the demise of all men. It will be likely somewhat localized depending on climatic zones, etc.
5th bowl: Dark clouds cover the planet. Again, the fundimaniacs think this could be the result of nuclear war. I personally think it will be a cloud of greenhouse gas.
Please document where I or another Biblical fundamentalist here has attributed the darkening of the sun and moon to nuclear. I have attributed it to drout, thickening of clouds as well as greenhouse effect. I have, for a long time here, predicted a greenhouse terrarium planet for the future, similar to what I believe to have existed before the flood.
6th bowl: Euphrates River becomes completely dry; armies gather for Armageddon. Well, if the river dries up, we could certainly move our troops out of Iraq and into the Levant a lot quicker.
The significance of the drying of the rivers is not that the troops will then be able to cross. The significance is that both drout and a 200 million army of the East emerging upon the Armageddon scene will happen at the same time. All events predicted will be emerging towards that great time to come upon earth.
7th bowl: Greatest earthquake in history; all cities collapse in a global earthquake; the final blow against Babylon the Great. Here's Buz's big quake, folks.
Wrong again. I've never associated the earthquake as the event which would destroy mystery Babylon/Vatican City. It will be burned by fire, imo, and my prediction for that has always been, more than likely, nuclear by either Muslim extremists or communist.
Now, how many of the first 6 bowls have poured out prior to the devastating quake that killed so many unfortunate souls around the Indian Ocean's rim?
Now, Andya me friend, please specify exactly what in my op led you to believe that I am claiming this earthquake to be the one described in Revelation 16, subsequent to the other wrath bowls??

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 30 of 301 (172029)
12-28-2004 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Andya Primanda
12-27-2004 9:32 AM


Btw, Andya, do your relatives and friends in Indonesia reside in any of the stricken areas? I do want to express my condolence to you and your countrymen from Indonesia. We are praying for all of the victims and a significant portion of our regular monthly financial contributions go to Voice of the Martyrs who do help Indonesians as well as others in need with blankets, clothes, food and money, etc.

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