Random God Rant

Alright. Here is a reason.Man was ignorant about the world around him, pre-scientific man had trouble making sense of everything so he made up stories to try to explain why things were the way they were. As he became more inquisitive and sophisticated so did the stories.The stories were sometimes based on observation (say the concept of the 4 elements) and some were probably conicived as alegory/folk tale (the garden of eden).We can prove this because today we reject Norse mythology as adequate to explain the world, we reject aboriginal mythology (though quite beutifull IMHO), we reject dozens of others, and many scientists today reject christian mythology on the same grounds. Sure. Well, aside from the farfeteched, whimsical, and absurd stories contained in the bible, when put in a historical context it shows it's origins quite clearly.Now, as you said earlyer I won't go picking versus willy nilly, but I will show you some striking parallels. Babylonian and Sumerion Mythology are much older than hebrew mythology, yet they share a similar cosmological root.Both have a concept of a firmament with water above it, and waters below the earth as well. Something like this:Babylonian: Hebrew: And BTW, that's exactly how the hebrews saw the organization of the universe back in those times and there is plenty to support that. The idea persisted well into the AD era.Bosch even depicts it on the wings of his masterpiece: Babylonian and Sumarian Mythology are concerned with a particular wind God named El, also referd to as El-Shadai... *ahem*... *cough* Elohim *cough* *cough*Both cultures have a great flood account that is nearly identical.Anyway, we don't hear crap about hebrews till a few hundred years BC, and it is pretty well established that they are an offshoot of the cananites which of course were decendents of the babylonian and sumerian culture. Ya it does, it's your god that dosn't. Aparantly your self-contadictory god of all power yet no power, seemed it would be an entertaining farce to give us the illusion of freewill when long ago he had already decided the outcome. It's a stupid exercise by a being who must be utterly board out of his witts with it. Then it means nothing. It's a BS quality, because it is self contradictory.Omnipotent is a self contradictory quality. It cannot exsit. Therefore God cannot be Omnipotent.

I think you should also mention Greek mythology which has striking parallels with the Babylonian / Sumerian myths and which -again- predates Jewish mythology. The Greek firmament concept is virtually identical to the Babylonian sketch you have there, with Atlas holding the heavens on his shoulders. There's also a Flood myth (dating around 1500 BC) where Zeus displeased with the iniquity of the Greeks decides to destroy them with a Flood (sound familiar ?! ).Also, bear in mind that there are well-established links between the Greeks and the Phoenicians (who inhabited the coast of modern-day Israel). Indeed, the Amarna tablets (14th century BC) strongly suggest that the Phoenicans were the Canaanites. IMHO, Greek myths found their way to and influenced Jewish mythology (and subsequently Christianity) as well as the above-mentioned Babylonian and Sumerian ones.

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

However, let`s not forget the Assyrians existed pre-Flood (re-baits trap)

When a person has a bacterial infection, certain antibiotics can target that infection and eradicate it completely. What if, (and yes...I am speculating) humans have a sort of a spiritual infection? And...by virtue of this infectious presence being so potentially lethal to the human body, God is not only angry at it...He is omnipotantly, ultimately, and definitely angry at it. (The infectious presence.) Given this to be possible, I would respond by saying that God wants to scare the devil out of us!QUESTIONS? CALL 1-800-OMNIPOTANT DEITYThis message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-20-2005 12:33 AM

hello all, 1st post.. so apologies if I'm breaking any rules... been reading with interest for days and feel I have to comment.... Am I right in assuming Jesus went to heaven? so by killing his own son, God was infact sending him to eternal paradise to be reunited with his daddy?
Doesn't sound like such a big sacrifice to me.As most of the christians here have pointed out life is not the main show... etc. etc. so to take Jesus' mortal existance from him must have been nothing, after all, he takes it from millions of people every year, (or at least, Stands by and allows it to be taken), whatsmore, if he loves us all so completely how can he love his son more?..i.e. why was "killing" his son anymore of a sacrifice that killing us all? aren't we all his children?If your God sees fit to punish an infant, incapable of anything but eating, pooing, and crying, for the "sins" of it's father, where such sins may include (for Instance) not telling God how great he is (isn't vanity one of the seven deadly sins?) I want nothing to do with your "God"
he has a very sick, twisted sense of humour.Adam and Eve found themselves in the garden of eden, subject to a set of rules which the rule maker KNEW they could not adhere to
thus, God created Adam and Eve in the Full knowledge that they would "fall" and now he wants us to be "saved"?Why did he create beings he knew were doomed to failure?Why didn't he remove the tree of knowledge?why didn't he stamp on the naughty snake?in fact, why did he create the snake at all?

What about the millions of Patently intelligent people that believed the earth was flat? or that witches should be burned? or what about the millions of intelligent people who believe in evolution? would you agree tyhat these things are therefore true? simply because a majority of people believe them to be?I don't.

*bump* iano?

Was it something I said?

Hello Creavolution,Welcome to EvC. You will probably be welcomed by an administrator as well, pretty soon I hope.It wasn't anything you said. Give it some time when you post something. Most active people here are involved in more threads than one and a new member will not immediately lure them to their posts.Patience.

LOL Great post!Welcome aboard Creavolution

Sorry Yaro. Got a bit off track elsewhere and had a machine in work give it up yesterday so couldn't come out to play as much as I would have liked.a.s.a.pCheersIan(what is an apologist to do but apologise )This message has been edited by iano, 21-Sep-2005 08:47 PM

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"Jesus wept" John 11:35. It's the shortest verse in the Bible. What caused him to weep? Anothers death....

Name one.... Hi CV....welcome to EvC

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"Jesus wept" John 11:35. It's the shortest verse in the Bible. What caused him to weep? Anothers death....

I said intelligent... not famous...but here goes... Charles darwin, Arthur C Clarke, T H Huxley, many of the evolutionists on this forum (they seem quite intelligent).Unfortunately I don't have at my disposal an exhaustive list of evolutionists... and anyway you're sidestepping the point. You appear to be assuming that the fact that many, many people believe(d) in God, somehow reinforces it's validity as a theory.I say it does not.If this was true the world would be flat and sit upon a turtles back... Until of course the next popular theory comes along.
(ooohhh.... I can almost feel you veering off on that tangent already... steady now... stay focused...)So.. not to indulge you too much further... back to my question.... I don't

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