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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
ramoss writes: YOu do realise that the 'seven day week' is just a convinence that man has? That has nothign to do with science. Hi Ramoss. Please pardon me for interjecting here. I understand where you are coming from but Almeyda may have a point; although I suspect a fuller knowledge of the facts may be disturbing to him, or her. I believe development of the calendar (and thus, the length of the week), had everything to do with science. Lunar observations, i.e. the 'science' of the moon-god, was vital to establishment of the ancient calendar. Our friend Almeyda is probably unaware of it but the seventh day was determined according to cycles of the moon. That's how the sacred calendar works to this very day. Discussion Yes, it's Old but based upon scientific observation of the moon. I think Almeyda will find that the "science" to which he, or she, is referring, is not what he, or she, expected. I think leading him, or her, to this fundamental knowledge may be more productive than simply denying any scientific basis for it. db
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Amlodhi writes: I have often found myself thinking how much nicer things might be if God had created everything in 3 days and then rested for 4. Now there's a God after my own heart. db
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Lunar observations, i.e. the 'science' of the moon-god, was vital to establishment of the ancient calendar. Do you think they would have noticed or found it significant, though, if they hadn't also noticed that the women were bleeding every 28 days as well? I don't think you can discount menstruation in the development of the calendar. This message has been edited by crashfrog, 10-03-2004 01:02 PM
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
crashfrog writes: I don't think you can discount menstruation in the development of the calendar. Discount in comparison to what? Menstruation may coincide with moon phase in some cases, and the length of the cycle may be in the same ballpark, but as you may have already observed, or will soon enough in your experience with women: you can't accurately predict when her period will commence. But you can predict, with great accuracy and far into the future, phases of the moon. I believe the single most important effect of the moon, and the consequent impetus for predicting moon phase, is its connection to changes in sea level and the importance of those changes in relation to the business of travel and transport by sea. This is vitally important today and was even more important before the development of engine-powered craft. db
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
doctrbill writes:
Madness,eh? Well Do you actually believe:
Do you actually believe that the sun, moon and stars are ensconced in a big, invisible, dome which rolls around in an orbit of earth? Do you actually believe that the sky is blue becuase we are looking up at an infinitely deep body of water? Do you actually believe that the first man was made out of clay and that the first woman was produced by cloning?So, early humans had access to the same God that we have, yet their primative explanations of creation at least included God. Now, in our vaunted intellect, we have decided that God was an archtypical myth. Claiming to be wise, we will end up as fools.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Phatboy writes: ... early humans had access to the same God that we have ... You have access to God? db
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Phatboy writes: their primative explanations of creation at least included God. Sorry about trivializing your opinion of God. I shouldn't have done that. But I am curious. If the authors of Genesis were wrong about the nature of Nature, then why should we expect them to be right about the nature of God? db
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
doctrbill writes: IF it is possible to commune/communicate with God, as I believe that I can, THEN it matters not what era in the progression of humanity attempts to do so. Hi Tech Science, with all of their measuring devices, theories, and literature are really no closer than the bronze age goatherder, who in all probability had more time for silence and meditation--
But I am curious. If the authors of Genesis were wrong about the nature of Nature, then why should we expect them to be right about the nature of God?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Phatboy writes: Hi Tech Science, with all of their measuring devices, theories, and literature are really no closer than the bronze age goatherder, who in all probability had more time for silence and meditation-- The bronze age herders had more time for silence and meditation because they weren't busy attempting to overthrow the science of their day, in the name of God, via the internet. db
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Too shay
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
It's certainly not what we call 'evolution' today but as a step in the development of natural philosophy it represents a reasoning from simplicity to complexity, hi, read with me.
quote: simplicity, do you agree? god then goes on to create things, and the earth becomes complex. that's what the bible says. and i bet you find the same in ANY creation myth, because they all start from basically NOTHING.
Day seven presents a critical element in the development of civilization: the all important calendar and even more importantly, to the masses of working class humanity, ... The Weekend. What could be more important than that!? quote: maybe if the weekend was only one day.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
However, Genesis bares remarkable similarity to the Ugartic stories.. of course they do. there's good evidence that one may have been a spin-off of the other, or at the very least that they grew up in close contact. i'm entirely sure which is more likely to be right, as i'm not really up on my knowledge of the city of ugarit.
wheer even the names of the El, and the sons of El are reflected as being several names of God in the Torah. this may just be a coincidence of language, actually. although i'm not personally convinced of that.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Arachnophilia writes: i bet you find the same in ANY creation myth, because they all start from basically NOTHING. Hmmm. Well, pretty much all of which I am aware begin with water, the prime element (according to ancient 'chemistry'). From this element, all others may be derived (according to Aristotle). So ... OK, essentially nothing.
maybe if the weekend was only one day. Gots to start somewhere. db
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