A question that was first presented by Socrates.

I don't know if I would cooperate, but intellectually, if God really said that, I know it would be the right thing to do. In Christian theology, everyone has sinned against God and therefore everyone deserves to die. Because God loves us and does not want to punish us, he does not immediately destroy us and gives us time to repent. If he decides to judge someone in this life, then he is justified in ordering someone to kill that person he is judging.So to answer your question, it is right for God to kill if he wants, because we deserve to die. When trying to decide if God really spoke to this person, I would have to look at lots of other factors to make my decision. Among these factors is the fact that God doesn't really do that kind of thing in this part of history, and that he usually does not give that harsh of a punishment except for especially grevious sins.

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If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

Do me a favor and stay away from my family.

Lam,What do you think of my answer to Socrates question?

Well, you entered right into Socrates' trap. I guess it's your choice on how you want to live your life.

Interesting... care to elaborate?

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If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

If you answer that god commands what's good, then you are admitting that there's nothing preventing god from changing its mind. In other words, all the religious nuts ever lived in history have had an excuse that they were doing god's work. That's why I want you to stay away from my family. Don't know when your god will command you to take out a semi-automatic and gun down every gay man you could see.If you answer that god commans it because it is good, then you are admitting that god ain't all knowing or all powerful, that it is subjected something even greater.Anyhow, it doesn't matter. Now I know where you stand, I at least know who to keep my eyes out for. I'll always watch for little kittens.

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God made man and could easily have made man to be better.

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How so?

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Because god is god. You seem to be saying that god is capable of anything...except creating a good world filled with good people.

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So which is it? Do male humans come after the animals as Gen 1 specifically details or before as Gen 2 claims?

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Genesis 1 gives the chronology of events. Genesis 2 gives the other details.

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Both incorrect and a non sequitur.Genesis 1 gives details: Humans after the animals.Genesis 2 gives different details: Male human before animals, female human after.The Bible is quite clear: In Genesis 1, we see not a single human being until AFTER every single animal gets created.But in Genesis 2, a male human shows up BEFORE any animal is ever created.That is a logical contradiction. Humans can't appear on the scene both before and after the creation of animals.Therefore, which is it? Do male humans come after the animals as Gen 1 specifically details or before as Gen 2 claims?

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The fact that Genesis 2 restates that things were created doesn't mean they are being created again.

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Yes, it does.You can't create the first human twice. Once you do it the first time, you can never do it the first time again. Genesis is very specific about the details: The first humans don't show up until AFTER animals.This is in direct contradiction to Genesis 2 which is also specific about the details: The first male human shows up BEFORE animals.So which is it? Do male humans come after the animals as Gen 1 specifically details or before as Gen 2 claims?

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WWJD? JWRTFM!

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. . . to answer your question, it is right for God to kill if he wants, because we deserve to die.

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Abraham didn't think so:Gen. 18:25 "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"Amlodhi

Lam says, This is true, but I did not pick either of these as my answer. Again, it is a false dilemma. The answer is that God is the supreme Good. He does not create what Good (for then he might change his mind about what is Good) and he does not command what is already Good (for them Good would be greater than God). Instead, Good comes from God's very nature, and he commands the moral law to be Good because he cannot contradict his own nature.

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If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

Abraham was talking about the righteous people in Sodom and Gomorrah who were not guilty because they repented of their sins to God and strove to keep his moral law. Since they were repentent and forgiven, they no longer deserved to die.I guess I should have said that everyone who has not been forgiven deserves to die.

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If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

No, it is not a false dilemma. If you say that god is the supreme good, then you are saying that what he commands must be good. If that is the case, is there anything that keeps him from changing?If you say no, then today's evil could be tomorrow's good. If you answer yes, then he ain't supreme anymore.Get it?

Yes, it is. Yes - God's nature does not change. What is good will always be good, and what is bad will always be bad.Compare: God arbitrarily creates what is good - he might change his mind and "todays evil could be tomorrows good."To: God's nature is the ultimate good, and his moral law reflects this. Since God's nature never changes, what is Good never changes.See the difference?

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If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

I was expecting this. You are defining what god is and isn't. Are you god?

No I am not God.Are you saying I am not allowed to say anything about God because I am not God?

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If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

When you said that god is ever unchanging, you are putting your god in a frame. You are limiting him to what's what. You are basically claiming that he has no free will because he is stuck in some kind of good will loop.