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crashfrog
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Message 31 of 60 (42579)
06-11-2003 1:42 PM
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06-07-2003 8:17 PM


Re: just another ques???
how was Cain killed
Didn't he learn Kung-Fu and wander the Old West?

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zephyr
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Message 32 of 60 (42602)
06-11-2003 3:57 PM
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06-11-2003 1:42 PM


Re: just another ques???
Hah!
If I have to stifle raucous laughter in the office one more time because of you, why I'll... I'll... probably just bust out laughing.

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 60 (42951)
06-15-2003 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Paul
05-17-2003 9:05 PM


quote:
I also personally believe that Eve had a daughter or perhaps many daughters before Cain and Abel based on Gen. 4:1 "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord." I do believe that this verse may indicate that daughters were perhaps born before this; hence, special emphasis upon getting a man child at this time.
Also, in 4:3 it is quite clear that a process of time had taken place thus giving Adam and Eve many years to have daughters, and if you add possible daughters from before Cain, then we would have many women for Cain(100 yrs. old) to take one as a wife, by the time we get to v16.
Very good, Paul. It had to be his sister. There's no other explanation, imo.
1. Likely the first children would be such that inter-family marriage would not be a genetic problem.
2. In scripture only the males are generally recorded.
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Brian
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Message 34 of 60 (42960)
06-15-2003 5:41 PM
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06-15-2003 12:14 AM


In scripture only the males are generally recorded.
Eh?
There are many women recorded in the Bible, you even mentioned one by name in this post.
There are also four women recorded in the fictional genealogy of Jesus' found in Matthew's Gospel. Although these women are recorded in Matthew, lineage does not come through any of them,a bit of a bummer for the Davidic bloodline of course.

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Message 35 of 60 (43001)
06-16-2003 1:13 AM
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06-15-2003 5:41 PM


quote:
There are many women recorded in the Bible, you even mentioned one by name in this post.
There are also four women recorded in the fictional genealogy of Jesus' found in Matthew's Gospel. Although these women are recorded in Matthew, lineage does not come through any of them,a bit of a bummer for the Davidic bloodline of course.
Go through the geneologies of the OT and you'll see what I mean. Mostly men with a few notable women mentioned as the wives or other relation of the men in those geneologies.

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Brian
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Message 36 of 60 (43006)
06-16-2003 4:00 AM
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06-16-2003 1:13 AM


OIC,
Sorry, I didn't realise that you were only talking about in genealogies, I though you were just talking about the Bible in general, I must have overlooked the reference to genealogies.
There are some women mentioned in genealogies but they never have a bloodline coming through them, it is only the males who have their bloodlines recorded. The Book of Numbers suppports the male only hereditary line.
Anyway, sorry for the confusion.
Brian.

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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 37 of 60 (43566)
06-22-2003 12:02 AM


Many people belive that every thing in the bible happened quickly. There can easily be from a week to 500 years of diference from chapter to cahapter with exception of the places where time is specified. The prophecies of Jesus made by isaiah were approx. 6,000 years before he came. The point i'm trying to make is that we are not sure how much time passed between each of the three sons mentioned in the bible adam and eve had. when after adam and eve were createed was cain born? Who knows. it could of been a year or 50 years. if seth was born when adam was 130 and he died when he was 800, I believe common sense tells us they definetely had more children. When it comes to genealogies only the father and his most important sons were mentioned. so his wife had to be his sister. sex between brothers was prohibited in the time of moses
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Mister Pamboli
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Message 38 of 60 (43571)
06-22-2003 12:30 AM
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06-22-2003 12:02 AM


quote:
sex between brothers was prohibited in the time of moses
But until then incestuous homosexuality was ok? I wonder what changed God's mind.

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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 39 of 60 (43575)
06-22-2003 1:00 AM


I menat between brother and sister. God has always condemed homosexuality.
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John
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Message 40 of 60 (43577)
06-22-2003 1:05 AM
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06-22-2003 12:02 AM


quote:
The prophecies of Jesus made by isaiah were approx. 6,000 years before he came.
How is this even remotely possible? A literal reading of the Bible gives about a 6000 year span from the time of creation. Isaiah lived nowhere near that time. Most date his life to about the 7th or 8th century bce.
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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 41 of 60 (43579)
06-22-2003 1:09 AM


there were at least a thousand years in btween creation and the flood and isaiahs time was very much after that so i dont think it was 7 or 8 century. For this you have to study a little hebrew history. its a bit complicated but what isnt

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John
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Message 42 of 60 (43582)
06-22-2003 1:22 AM
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06-22-2003 1:09 AM


quote:
there were at least a thousand years in btween creation and the flood and isaiahs time was very much after that so i dont think it was 7 or 8 century.
... 7th or 8th century BCE. That would be 700 to 800 years before Christ. The date is fairly well accepted amongst historians.
You still haven't explained your statement that Isaiah prophecied 6000 years before Christ.
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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 43 of 60 (43585)
06-22-2003 1:34 AM


i apologize once again for not explaining myself right plus i made a mistake. imeant 600 years before christ so youre right. The 6,000 year span is from creation to the birth of jesus. i dont belive the universe has 6,000 years i belive it is between 8,000 and 10,000.

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 44 of 60 (43589)
06-22-2003 1:52 AM
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06-22-2003 12:30 AM


So incenst between brother and sister was OK until Moses' time. The question still remains - why the change of mind?

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Rrhain
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Message 45 of 60 (43592)
06-22-2003 3:54 AM
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06-22-2003 1:34 AM


jazzlover_PR writes:
quote:
The 6,000 year span is from creation to the birth of jesus.
That's not what the Bible says:
Genesis 5:1: This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
5:2: Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
5:4: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5:5: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
5:6: And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
5:7: And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:8: And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
5:9: And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
5:10: And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:11: And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
5:12: And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
5:13: And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:14: And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
5:15: And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
5:16: And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:17: And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
5:18: And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
5:19: And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:20: And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
5:21: And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
5:22: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:23: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
5:24: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
5:25: And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
5:26: And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
5:28: And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
5:29: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
5:30: And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:31: And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
5:32: And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Adding all this up, we have 1056 years from Adam to Noah. Now, Noah was 601 when the flood was over:
Genesis 8:13: And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
From then, we go on to Abram:
Genesis 11:10: These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11:11: And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:12: And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
11:13: And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:14: And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
11:15: And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:16: And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
11:17: And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:18: And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
11:19: And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:20: And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
11:21: And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:22: And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
11:23: And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:24: And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
11:25: And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:26: And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Counting all this up, this puts Abram being born 392 years after the flood.
We then go to:
Genesis 12:1: Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
12:2: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
12:3: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
12:4: So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
Thus, Abram was 75 when the covenant was established. Add that to the 392 years previous and we get 467 years.
Whence to:
Galatians 3:17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Thus, the Exodus happened 430 years after the covenant. Add that 430 years to the 467 previous and we get 897.
Finally to:
1 Kings 6:1: And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.
Thus, Solomon's Temple was begun 480 years after the Exodus. Add that 480 years to the 897 previous and we get 1277 years.
Since Solomon's Temple was begun about 950 BCE, we only have to add up the years:
950 + 1,277 + 601 + 1,056 = 3,884.
That's it. Less then 4,000 years from the creation of Adam to the birth of Jesus, according to the Bible.
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