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1.61803
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Message 1 of 50 (705893)
09-03-2013 4:12 PM


Well the U.S. is days away form sending some whoop ass to Syria in the form of cruise missles.
Is this the best course of action?
If you where king for a day what would you suggest?
Personally I think is is rather...kind of weird.
Sort of like, well Junior you broke the rules so your going to have to stand for a whooping. But before I whoop your ass I need to discuss it with your momma. So stand by until we decide exactly what your punishment will be.
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Message 2 of 50 (705895)
09-03-2013 7:20 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Syria syrisouly? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 3 of 50 (705899)
09-03-2013 8:38 PM
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09-03-2013 4:12 PM


I think the Onion got it about right.

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Message 4 of 50 (705906)
09-03-2013 10:29 PM
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09-03-2013 4:12 PM


If by some miracle I am made king of America tomorrow, I honestly have no idea how I would deal with the Syria situation.

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Message 5 of 50 (705908)
09-03-2013 11:30 PM
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09-03-2013 4:12 PM


I'll say the same here as I have said elsewhere.
What's happening in Syria is going to turn out badly, no matter whether we intervene or not.
If we don't intervene, we will get some of the blame for it turning out badly.
If we do intervene, we will get even more of the blame for it turning out badly.
So let's not intervene.

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Message 6 of 50 (705909)
09-03-2013 11:39 PM
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09-03-2013 10:29 PM


If by some miracle I am made king of America tomorrow, I honestly have no idea how I would deal with the Syria situation.
Should we thank God that there is no such thing as miracles?
I say we bomb China, Russia and Iran until Assad surrenders. Take the war profits and send in a massive relief effort. Or if there is no stomach for that then just drone him in the forehead.

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Message 7 of 50 (705911)
09-04-2013 1:19 AM
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09-03-2013 11:39 PM


Who do you think will win if a non-nuclear war breaks out between USA and Russia&China?

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Message 8 of 50 (705913)
09-04-2013 2:54 AM
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09-04-2013 1:19 AM


yenmor writes:
Who do you think will win if a non-nuclear war breaks out between USA and Russia&China?
Cockroaches.

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Message 9 of 50 (705961)
09-04-2013 12:42 PM
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09-04-2013 1:19 AM


yenmor writes:
Who do you think will win if a non-nuclear war breaks out between USA and Russia&China?
Nobody would win. All three of those nations are good at bullying little nations but they are not capable of fighting each other to a decision.
The biggest losers are always the little nations that get to host the fighting.

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Message 10 of 50 (705965)
09-04-2013 1:25 PM
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09-04-2013 1:19 AM


Who do you think will win if a non-nuclear war breaks out between USA and Russia&China?
It's hard to even conceive of a reason for China and the US to actually go to war with each other. Their economies are so intertwined that an actual war would be near-suicide for both, regardless of who wins the military contest itself. Hell, the economic consequences might actually force any such war to sputter out and die before one side could actually force the other to officially surrender - it's hard to keep prosecuting a war when your war machine can't afford gas or bullets.

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Nihil supernum

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Message 11 of 50 (705979)
09-04-2013 6:04 PM
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09-04-2013 1:19 AM


There won't be a war between the US and Russia or the US and China. Neither side has anything to gain.
As for bombing Syria, this is traditionally how the US has dealt with issues like this. Bill Clinton used to bomb Iraq every time it looked like Saddam might have been thinking about building chemical weapons. Reagan did much the same thing to Libya.
So after all those Monica missiles, and finally regime change in Iraq, somebody else actually used chemical weapons on his own population. In the 1990s, this would not have triggered much of a debate as far as whether the US should respond.
It appears that international norms have changed since then. Chemical weapons may be acceptable now. We'll have to see.
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Message 12 of 50 (706020)
09-05-2013 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Adequate
09-03-2013 8:38 PM


I think the Onion got it about right.
Okay, then wouldn't their "play small-ball" be the best option?

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Message 13 of 50 (706023)
09-05-2013 9:26 AM


Suggested US behavior,
I think the best course for the US would be to deplore the situation, present any evidence they do have publicly and point out that Syrians must solve Syria's political problems.
Any other actions that the US takes should be undeclared, unacknowledged and based on plausible deniability.

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Message 14 of 50 (706065)
09-05-2013 5:00 PM


So yes it seems drawing a line in the sand that the U.S. will not waver on means we must respond with a few cruise missiles.
It would be nice for a bit of international support in this effort other than rhetoric.
Come you Brits! grow some bollocks.
The US needs to save face on this one by not appearing to be the only ignorant hawkish brutish country willing to kill in the name of non violence.
At the very least let us paint a Union Jack or St. George cross on one or two of them missles.
Gassing civillians is bad M-kay?

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Message 15 of 50 (706071)
09-05-2013 5:59 PM
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09-05-2013 5:00 PM


quote:
The US needs to save face on this one by not appearing to be the only ignorant hawkish brutish country willing to kill in the name of non violence.
Do you deny the logic of using violence to suppress violence? The police do that every day.

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