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Omnivorous
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Message 196 of 591 (713455)
12-13-2013 8:41 AM
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12-13-2013 12:00 AM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
Is that extra space before the period in your sentence irony?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 197 of 591 (713511)
12-13-2013 8:31 PM
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12-13-2013 8:41 AM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
Hilarious Evc and this not a response rather some additional information.I've been a Federal Bureau investigation informant since 2001 concerning matters of National egoism Racism and Piracy stemming from word music and soundtrack authoring.Poetic license allows my relentless rhetoric with or without indentation and what you call paragraphs.I simply communicated some inspired information that anyone can easily discern and it requires no reutterance.Occasionally at sites I get the egos racists and pirates oh my drones yet that rare.My posts are usually not that lengthy yet thorough revealing the attention order deficit crowd.Perhaps we'll return to the topic and your definitions of the real and unreal Christ and your definitions of the real and unreal "satan".Take care and God bless the blessed!Absolutely no twisted parallels!
Absolutely straight forward!Gary V. Giardina!This sent before 7:31 P.M. December 13th. 2013.

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Theodoric
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Message 198 of 591 (713522)
12-13-2013 11:20 PM
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12-13-2013 8:31 PM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
You're a looney is what you are.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 199 of 591 (720093)
02-20-2014 10:38 AM
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12-13-2013 11:20 PM


God created life ... science proves it
God did it ???? .. God did what ?

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Theodoric
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Message 200 of 591 (720136)
02-20-2014 12:12 PM
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02-20-2014 10:38 AM


Re: God created life ... science proves it
If you have no desire to contribute constructively, please go away.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 201 of 591 (720227)
02-21-2014 5:42 AM


Is it too trite to suggest that if Jesus and Satan were real I'd side with Satan.
When I read the mythology concerning the fall of Lucifer I was still a deist and possibly even a Christian Theist in many ways - but I couldn't help
But feel sad for Lucifer. He was born a slave, part of an entire race of slaves who aren't even allowed pride in their work nor hope for freedom. What kind of existence is that? No wonder he rebelled when he saw the luxury the humans were given!
And what has he done since then? He has tried to open the eyes of the enslaved masses to the cruel tyranny of an evil overlord - literally his main aim is to tuen people from god, it's not sin for sins sake it's an active political campaign to win people away from an evil empire.
Further more if some preachers are to be believed Luci is down with kinky sex, is open to gay rights and invented rock'n'roll
Well I'll be damned, literally

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Message 202 of 591 (720228)
02-21-2014 5:47 AM
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02-21-2014 5:42 AM


LOL well we haven't heard Satan's side of the story yet, as fare as im concerned Lucifer is the better man, god is writing shit about him in his book and Lucifer just goes man im not even gonna comment on that.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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MFFJM2
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Message 203 of 591 (724437)
04-17-2014 7:27 AM


What if Satan and Jesus were real..? Then the world would be a scary place because magic would be possible, and all manner of ghosts and goblins would also be possible.
What if the Easter Bunny was real, or Santa Claus, or fairies, or elves, or Leprechauns..? What if Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny fought it out using WWII weaponry..? But I'll play...
If Jesus were real it still wouldn't mean that the stories told about him are true. Did Washington cut down the cherry tree..? Did Daniel Boone kill a bear when he was only three..?
Satan, aka Lucifer the fallen angel, would be Donald Trump.

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Message 204 of 591 (724440)
04-17-2014 8:08 AM
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12-13-2013 8:31 PM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
Drones, hey?
What are you, Rambo 50?
Apparantly some private security companies in my country started using drones hovering above our suburb to try and get some criminals before they burgle the houses. Sweet.

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Message 205 of 591 (724455)
04-17-2014 9:52 AM
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04-17-2014 8:08 AM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
I have been to South Africa a few times. We stay in the Joburg area. The bunker mentality is very eye opening to someone from the USA. It seems to me that it is the type of society the conservs and libertarians want here.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 206 of 591 (724622)
04-18-2014 5:01 PM
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04-17-2014 7:27 AM


Reality versus Make Believe
What if Satan and Jesus were real..? Then the world would be a scary place because magic would be possible, and all manner of ghosts and goblins would also be possible.
What if the Easter Bunny was real, or Santa Claus, or fairies, or elves, or Leprechauns..? What if Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny fought it out using WWII weaponry..? But I'll play...
If Jesus were real it still wouldn't mean that the stories told about him are true. Did Washington cut down the cherry tree..? Did Daniel Boone kill a bear when he was only three..?
Satan, aka Lucifer the fallen angel, would be Donald Trump.
I believe that there is a difference between what may actually exist versus what humans make up. In other words, I am well aware that humans can imagine all sorts of possibilities and invent science fiction and other fables...I just don't believe that the religious mythos is one of them. (to some extent it likely is, but not totally)
The tricky part is determining which is which. While I don't believe that all stories are made up by humans to entertain/convince/control other humans, I will admit that it is not easy to tell which is which.
Perhaps it is better to live as if we were the deciding characters in a cosmic play, or perhaps not. Belief in such concepts as spiritual warfare between angelic/demonic hosts (a battle in which the outcome is already decided, by the way) is probably not going to cause much harm in a daily reality sense unless and until we have incidents llike a mother who claims God told her to kill her children, or a president who labels a war in Afghanistan as a battle between good and evil. the real battle between good and evil is in everyones individual conscience. We all know what actions we could take that are more evil than other,better choices. No belief in any Deities is required to make these daily choices...and we can't blame the bad guy if we fall short. I suppose we need not be required to give credit to God, either...comments?

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 207 of 591 (724664)
04-19-2014 10:22 AM
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04-18-2014 5:01 PM


Re: Reality versus Make Believe
You asked for comments, so here goes...
Phat wrote,
quote:
I believe that there is a difference between what may actually exist versus what humans make up. In other words, I am well aware that humans can imagine all sorts of possibilities and invent science fiction and other fables...I just don't believe that the religious mythos is one of them. (to some extent it likely is, but not totally)
Okay, so you believe there's a difference between fiction and reality. I don't think many people would disagree with that assertion. The problem is that some people assert things to be a part of physical reality when all we have are a few scribbled notes from centuries, if not millenia ago.
However, when you write "to some extent it likely is, but not totally" your position becomes muddy. Physical reality is independent of whether we believe in it or not. That, that is, is. That, that is not, is not. Religious myths and legends are as old as man himself, with certain memes echoing down the ages, like the creation myth and the flood myth.
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The tricky part is determining which is which.
That is indeed the tricky part.
quote:
While I don't believe that all stories are made up by humans to entertain/convince/control other humans, I will admit that it is not easy to tell which is which.
Insofar as the Bible is concerned, which stories do you think aren't made up or invented (regardless of the motivation), and what is your reason for so believing..?
quote:
Perhaps it is better to live as if we were the deciding characters in a cosmic play, or perhaps not.
When you've made up your mind come back and we can discuss it, but hedging your bets on every assertion begins to look silly. I think you should stop looking for external meaning in your life, and start providing your own meaning.
quote:
Belief in such concepts as spiritual warfare between angelic/demonic hosts (a battle in which the outcome is already decided, by the way) is probably not going to cause much harm in a daily reality sense unless and until we have incidents like a mother who claims God told her to kill her children, or a president who labels a war in Afghanistan as a battle between good and evil.
You suggest first that such beliefs cause no real harm and then continue about the harm caused by such beliefs. Then there is harm caused by such beliefs.
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the real battle between good and evil is in everyones individual conscience.
Choices are either right or wrong or neutral, and that determination is entirely based on the outcomes, so all morality/ethics are situational in nature. Labeling actions as good or evil are entirely based on religious considerations and have no place in physical reality. Not everyone can tell the difference between right and wrong, and those people are mentally disabled.
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We all know what actions we could take that are more evil than other,better choices. No belief in any Deities is required to make these daily choices...and we can't blame the bad guy if we fall short. I suppose we need not be required to give credit to God, either...comments?
No, we don't all know what actions we "should" take, because in some people their ability to feel empathy is damaged or missing. There is no God, and hence there is no reason to give credit or blame to any such fictional deity for any choice we make. Many of our choices are predetermined by the kind of person we have become, which is based on our upbringing, culture, education, intelligence, and morality/ethics. The choices you make in life are often determined for you, and you have no conscious knowledge of the subconscious choices being made.

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Message 208 of 591 (724679)
04-19-2014 12:38 PM
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Re: Reality versus Make Believe
Phat writes:
While I don't believe that all stories are made up by humans to entertain/convince/control other humans, I will admit that it is not easy to tell which is which.
The thing is that the Bible shoots itself in the foot on page two. The talking snake is quite obviously made up, though the motivation may be uncertain. So if there's obvious fiction on page two, why would we believe stories about Satan on page one-ninety-five or stories about Jesus on page three-sixty-three?

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Pressie
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Message 209 of 591 (724890)
04-22-2014 5:45 AM
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04-17-2014 9:52 AM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
I don't think it's a bunker mentality. It's a response to reality in a country where there's an average of 50 murders per day. In a country with a population of less than 50 million.
That's around 34 murders per 100 000 people.
Compare that to another country with a high murder rate the USA. Around 40 murders a day, out of a population of around 300 million.
That's around 5.3 homicides per 100 000 in the US.
RSA: 34 homocides /100 000
USA: 5.3 homocides /100 000
So, it's not a bunker mentality. It's reality we have to live with and try not to become part of the statistics.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Message 210 of 591 (724894)
04-22-2014 7:28 AM
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04-22-2014 5:45 AM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
According to the UN crime stats the rate of murder in RSA is 31.0 per 100,000 in 2012.
Available at Data
To keep this in perspective the Bahamas had a murder rate of 29.8 per 100,000 in 2012.
Puerto Rico had a murder rate of 26.5 per 100,000 in 2012.
El Salvador had a murder rate of 41.2 per 100,000 in 2012.
Honduras had a murder rate of 90.4 per 100,000 in 2012.
And the murder rate in the United States was 4.7 per 100,000 in 2012, but that's not the entire story.
The murder rate in Detroit, a city of over 500,000, was 54.6 per 100,000 in 2012, and Baltimore's murder rate was 35.0 per 100,000 in 2012. So, statistically you're more likely to be murdered in Baltimore or Detroit than in RSA.

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