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jar
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Message 16 of 152 (696453)
04-16-2013 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
04-16-2013 12:14 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
Its either that or a disturbed domestic individual. Im not suggesting anything yet...we shall see. And what would be your response, were you a national leader? Turn the other cheek?
What utter nonsense.
If it's domestic it has to be a disturbed individual?
If it is not domestic it has to be some foreign country?
Sheesh Phat, think!

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 17 of 152 (696455)
04-16-2013 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle
04-16-2013 3:59 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
2 bombs x 1 person?
1 bomb x 2 people?
I'd guess 2 bombs x 1 person. 'Cos of the difficulty of bringing the subject up ...
"Hey, I was thinking, why don't we bomb the Boston marathon?"
"Why don't we what?"
"It's just an idea I've been kicking around. Or we could go bowling. In fact, forget I said anything about the marathon. Silly idea, really."
Of course people do sometimes persuade other people to become accomplices in horrific crimes, it's not impossible. But one person is more likely.

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Tangle
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Message 18 of 152 (696457)
04-16-2013 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Dr Adequate
04-16-2013 10:27 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
Dr writes:
"Hey, I was thinking, why don't we bomb the Boston marathon?"
"Why don't we what?"
"It's just an idea I've been kicking around. Or we could go bowling. In fact, forget I said anything about the marathon. Silly idea, really."
You've been watching Four Lions haven't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAGO_l_YTbk
[youtube refuses to play nicely]
I'm not sure - one commentator was saying that the marathon was a classic terrorist target - lots of innocent people, he seemed to think that a solo loony is more likely to have a personal target - tax office, teacher, local car wash that damaged his car, president.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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1.61803
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Message 19 of 152 (696458)
04-16-2013 10:45 AM


It is so cowardly and pathetic to target people who are innocent.
Whom ever perpetrated this will either do it again or be caught.
They have a system that works and now will be bolstered to do it again.
This I fear is the start of a serial bomber. Lets hope our FBI earns their paychecks this month and gets this kook.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

  
NoNukes
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Message 20 of 152 (696467)
04-16-2013 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Tangle
04-16-2013 10:42 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
one commentator was saying that the marathon was a classic terrorist target - lots of innocent people, he seemed to think that a solo loony is more likely to have a personal target - tax office, teacher, local car wash that damaged his car, president.
Perhaps the commentator has forgotten about (or perhaps never heard of, it was 17 years ago) Eric Rudolph, the man who plead guilty to bombing the 1996 Atlanta Olympics and who hid out in the North Carolina mountains.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Dr Adequate
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Message 21 of 152 (696471)
04-16-2013 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Tangle
04-16-2013 10:42 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
You've been watching Four Lions haven't you?
No, that was just me.
I'm not sure - one commentator was saying that the marathon was a classic terrorist target - lots of innocent people, he seemed to think that a solo loony is more likely to have a personal target - tax office, teacher, local car wash that damaged his car, president.
Well, the solo loony with a gun often just goes for as many people as possible. Did the mall shooter have a grievance against malls, or was he just looking for abundant targets? And terrorists, as I pointed out, would tend to go for a target of symbolic importance. I could be wrong, but on balance it's a lone nut.
And as someone's pointed out, a terrorist group would take credit. Terrorists typically have a cause that they want to proclaim and/or demands that they want to be met.

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Tangle
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Message 22 of 152 (696473)
04-16-2013 11:51 AM
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04-16-2013 11:25 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
NoNukes writes:
Perhaps the commentator has forgotten about (or perhaps never heard of, it was 17 years ago) Eric Rudolph, the man who plead guilty to bombing the 1996 Atlanta Olympics and who hid out in the North Carolina mountains.
Sure, he was just guessing from what he thought was the balance of probabilities.
There was also talk of the difficulty in setting two bombs (and there's talk of more) and that the target was also in a pretty secure location (the end of the marathon which was well policed and searched.)
But everyone is still speculating.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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ooh-child
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Message 23 of 152 (696476)
04-16-2013 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
04-15-2013 8:17 PM


The Man in the cowboy hat....
I just finished reading this man's backstory. Utterly tragic, and yet his instinctive reaction yesterday inspires me, too.
The Man in the Cowboy Hat: Meet Carlos Arredondo, a Hero of the Boston Bombings – Mother Jones

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NoNukes
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Message 24 of 152 (696479)
04-16-2013 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Tangle
04-16-2013 11:51 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
But everyone is still speculating.
I understand that. My point is that the very little of the speculation is worthwhile.
There was also talk of the difficulty in setting two bombs (and there's talk of more
Well, today's word seems to be that no other bombs were found.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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1.61803
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Message 25 of 152 (696522)
04-16-2013 2:39 PM


I have the AP phone app. It came across the wire that one of the bombs was a pressure cooker that did have ball bearings for schrapnel in it.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

  
ooh-child
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Message 26 of 152 (696523)
04-16-2013 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by CoolBeans
04-15-2013 8:26 PM


A perfect Marathon day, then the unimaginable - The Boston Globe
This is how bad this is. I went out Monday night and bumped into some firefighters I know. They said one of the dead was an 8-year-old boy from Dorchester who had gone out to hug his dad after he crossed the finish line. The dad walked on; the boy went back to the sidewalk to join his mom and his little sister. And then the bomb went off. The boy was killed. His sister’s leg was blown off. His mother was badly injured. That’s just one family, one story.
Unimaginable.

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Phat
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Message 27 of 152 (696533)
04-16-2013 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
04-16-2013 10:05 AM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
This quote from the Boston paper that ooh-child cited:
quote:
And we are left with this unnerving proposition: If it was home-grown, it was probably an aberration, the work of a lunatic. If it was foreign inspired or sponsored, we will never feel safe again in our own town.
President Obama asked the rest of the country to pray for Boston. But we need more than prayers. We need answers. We need peace of mind, and we’ll never have that again on Patriots Day. Ever. Because somebody came here on our Patriots Day and launched their own revolution.
Tell me why I am being irrational and not thinking. Anyone who would do such a thing ...lets just say that justice is demanded at this point.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 28 of 152 (696537)
04-16-2013 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Phat
04-16-2013 5:24 PM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
Tell me why I am being irrational and not thinking. Anyone who would do such a thing ...lets just say that justice is demanded at this point.
Well we simply have no idea yet about who did it or why. What you said was "Its either that or a disturbed domestic individual. Im not suggesting anything yet...we shall see. And what would be your response, were you a national leader? Turn the other cheek?"
Your post says that who ever did it must be "disturbed" if it was domestic.
It could well be "disturbed" and foreign.
It could be quite reasonable and logical and domestic.
It could be the act of someone seeking justice.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 29 of 152 (696541)
04-16-2013 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
04-16-2013 5:42 PM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
It could be quite reasonable and logical and domestic.
It could be the act of someone seeking justice.
Against whom? The thing about nail-bombs is, they're not terribly specific.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 30 of 152 (696542)
04-16-2013 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Dr Adequate
04-16-2013 6:34 PM


Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
A system, an affront; we just plain don't know.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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