Homosexuality and the bible: Round 2 - morality.

doubt it would even slow him down

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Apparently, you have very poor reading skill. I'm going to turn my ignore-PecosGeorge switch back on. Have fun with your life being a teacher who can't read correctly.

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The Laminator

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PecosGeorge responds to me:

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no, guess again.
inverted means opposite
sterile is not opposite

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No, try again.Your claim was that the purpose of sex was to "be fruitful and multiply" and that anything that does not go along with that purpose is an "inversion."Well, sterile people cannot "be fruitful and multiply" and thus, their sexual activity is an "inversion" of the intended purpose of sex which, according to you, is procreation.In other words, the "inversion" you're talking about is the purpose of sex, not the people engaging in it.Some come right out and say it: You're upset about people who have sex purely for pleasure's sake. That's the real issue regarding sex between people of the same sex: They do it purely for pleasure and, essentially, without consequence. It's typical "If it feels good, it must be bad" morality.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Almeyda, please respond to post 26.

It is the primary purpose. But it was also for enjoyment, and to show love for each other. The problem is many people see nothing wrong with fornication, promiscuity, orgys, and other sexual acts. Unfortunately this is sexually immoral, perverse and sin against the body according to a holy God. So in answer to your question, Yes married couples can enjoy a sexual life without having to conceive every time they do it.Personally i dont really have an opinion on it because its an issue that doesnt concern me, i am against homosexuality but only because God said so. Thats the whole point. No opinion matters. Only what Gods word says. It doesnt matter if you think its right or wrong. I believe the Bible states man for women only. Other people see otherwise. But the history of the Bible and the church vs homosexuality seems to give more evidence to the Bible being against it. But likewise some people here think God said its ok or he never said wrong or right. The battle rages on.

Actually it seems pretty clear to me from all of the biblical quotes that have been posted that your god is definitely against gays and lesbians. These Christians certainly agree with you: Attention Required! | CloudflareSo are there any Christians out there that actually believe that homosexuality is not a sin?

I'm not embarrassed, as my only intention is to teach you the difference between the inverse and the contra-positive. My point was, you asked someone if you were correct about logic,--> in another thread, I provided you with the link so you could learn what a contra-positive is, instead you called me a retard/idiot. I am giving you the link so you can read the difference. Why should that embarrass me?You asked: I have shown the link so you can see your error. I suggest you study it.As for your new thread, I fail to see any link to my link.

Am I the only one who has noticed that when Christians quote Scripture concerning that dreaded affliction homosexuality, it's always in support of the biases they already have? Did any Christian ever profess himself to be an extreme homophobe, but admit that since Matthew 7:2 states "Your verdict upon others shall be the one that is passed against you," he figures God wants him to leave the judging to God and mind his own business?regards,
Esteban "Feather Boa" Hambre

Good point. You are correct that the NT says "judge not, that you may not be judged". (sinilar words). The bible does not support homophobics nor does it say anything about homosexuality (to my knowledge). I think it mentions lust, in Romans and Leviticus, but personally, I have found nothing to justify the phobics mindset.You are definitely right about the biased premise.

To be barren or sterile is not an inversion, but an illness or a fluke of nature. Barren/sterile humans cannot achieve by virtue of something that is not their doing.
The inversion, however, is deliberately doing that which cannot achieve God's purpose.
BTW, sex without marriage is sinful, whether straight or not. People forget that and justify it by saying....."well, we're in love"....or such.
As for ignoring context? No, I'm not very bright - an opinion to which you are entitled.

Trust me when I tell you that God created sex. He had to make it desireable/pleasing, or ..... well, you know!
It was designed to fulfill and complete the marriage vow......"the two shall be one flesh"....."cling to each other, bring comfort, etc.".....It legalizes the promise made by two people, they will henceforth abandon all others and will be true to each other, and such.
Male masturbation.....sex alone
Female masturbation .... sex alone
Oral sex, male or female......deviation from the norm - you know, if it feels good, do it, because it is o.k. to do what feels good.
Contraception....health issues may be involved....but here you open up another can of beans, because now we are talking population issues, which are massive.
Operations for various reasons are also health issues, vasectomy could be termed so, since it may involve health of the partner, more children would be detrimental - women were not intended to be brood mares.
Lot's of good sex after fifty. By then the fruitful and multiply has usually been achieved.
These are quick answers and meant to be brief. I highly recommend study, there is much to know.
As for which/what is sinful? You know!

I'll accept that about the idiot, thank you.
As for your statement about Christ and apostles? I'll dismiss it as humor.

Deviation from the norm?Aside from coitus, what's more normal than oral sex? Everybody has it.

Actually I don't. I wasn't trying to be coy with my list of questions. I honestly don't know which items on the list you think are sinful or not. I can guess based on what you replied, but some of your answers were ambiguous.For instance:

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Male masturbation.....sex alone

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I don't understand if you are implying if this is sinful or not even covered by the bible.And this:

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Oral sex, male or female......deviation from the norm - you know, if it feels good, do it, because it is o.k. to do what feels good.

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Are you implying this is sinful? Or are you seriously saying if it feels good do it? I venture to say you are being sarchastic here, but I honestly can't tell.If you could just tell me which ones you think are sinful, it would really help.thanks.

Masturbation.