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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Not a problem "getting along," just don't want to be GOVERNED by the liberal ideology or the Pope. Get the difference? Needing to be separated from liberals and Catholics is not getting along. Treated Catholics as the anti-Christ is not getting along. Stripping entire communities of people of all political power is not getting along. At least not under any conventional definition.
Far more than you have any idea Most likely far fewer than you could imagine. A constitution with a built in caste system of people with less rights than you have? That's certainly not a democracy. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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vimesey Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Take the scientists with you if they want to go. What would the healthcare system look like in your seceded state, if you're happy for the scientists to go ? I may not need to state the obvious here, but the healthcare system the States currently enjoys (with its beta blockers, CAT scanners, hell, even its aspirin) is the exclusive domain of science. Would you make exceptions for the continued reliance upon science when it comes to healthcare ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, I don't think we want a democracy. The US was meant to be a republic not a democracy. I'd like to hear some good discussion of the differences but I want a system that recognizes that there are forces in the world that want to undermine Christianity so the government we'd want to have would aim to prevent that.
It's very interesting to read up on why the colonies objected to Catholicism, something we're generally not taught. Samuel Adams wrote something called the Rights of the Colonists in which he makes it clear that Catholics must not be allowed any kind of political power. In our day we're all duped into thinking Catholicism is just another Christian denomination. Big mistake. The average Catholic is generally innocent of any of the plots of Rome but because they are Catholic, Rome uses them like pawns. They are welcome in my state and allowed all the percs of citizenship except political power for that reason.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It does get tiresome to have to explain over and over again that there is nothing in Christianity that opposes science. We simply do not regard evolution as science. It has nothing to do with the healthcare system.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Ah - I was confused by your statement
Take the scientists with you if they want to go. I understood from that that you were happy for all the scientists to go. My bad.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm WILLING for them to go if they WANT to go. Isn't that what I said? That is not a statement that Christians oppose science, it's just a practical matter that I don't feel like fighting people who disagree with us. I'm sure there are plenty of Christian nonevolutionist technicians who can handle the healthcare technology.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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... against abortion and homosexuality and other sexual violations of God's law, and not permit evolution to be taught in the schools. Bible would be the law of the land ... make Christianity clearly the rule of the land.
Faith, I am not sure the folks here fully appreciate what you bring to us here. You are a most wonderful reminder of why we have the kind of constitution we have today. You, Faith, you in all your anti-human, anti- reality, backward thinking, christian sharia fervor are exactly the type of people and politics the founders were guarding us against. With all the problems this nation has, with our minds occupied in the day-to-day, it is good to be reminded from time to time of that which still requires our most vigilant efforts to defeat. You serve so well as that reminder. Thank you. Edited by AZPaul3, : re-phrase
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're so welcome. I'm glad to represent the true Christian thought of the original forefathers of this country that are now so vilified in our modern world.
Of course even the Enlightenment-taught Founders would never ever have approved of abortion or homosexual "rights" because they were very clear that although they were not believers in the Christian gospel of Christ as God in human flesh born of a virgin, they DID strongly support Biblical morality as the only guarantee of God's blessing on a nation. Your idea of what the Constitution supposedly supports is pure devilish revisionism and this is exactly why I and others want to secede from this benighted Union. Watch out about that Sharia smear though. The Muslims would behead you for violations of their law not just keep you from political office, and short of that they'd spit on you and push you off the sidewalk for not being one of them. The Pope would stick you in an iron maiden or stretch you on the rack or seal you up inside a wall if he thought you were enough of a heretic, not just keep you from political power. Both Islam and Rome aim to rule the world. Puritans have no such ambition. We want to keep the gospel pure, and we'd like to see people saved, but we're not interested in power. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Watch out about that Sharia smear though. The Muslims would behead you for violations of their law not just keep you from political office, and short of that they'd spit on you and push you off the sidewalk for not being one of them. The Pope would stick you in an iron maiden or stretch you on the rack or seal you up inside a wall Oh, that's right. You guys do the burn-at-the-stake thing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry that's the Catholics again. Many Protestants DIED at the stake. Jan Hus, Tyndale for translating the Bible, Cranmer, Latimer and Ridley. All former Catholics become Protestant who got burned at the stake. It was a very rare occurence for Protestants to USE the stake. It happened but it was rare.
Here's a video about the Inquisition that has many illustrations of "heretics" being burned at the stake among other things. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The Bible would be the law of the land ... Will there be stonings?
... probably through Blackstone's Commentaries. I can find exactly two uses of the word "Bible" in the whole of Blackstone's Commentaries. One is where he explains the archaic procedure for issuing a challenge to trial by single combat. The other is where Blackstone says that the King has "the exclusive right of printing the translation of the bible". He also uses the word "scriptures" six times, but without drawing any legal principles from them except that traitors should suffer the death penalty (and there he is merely adducing the opinion of Coke and not speaking for himself). Puritans he describes as "that deluge of sectaries in England, who murdered their sovereign, overturned the church and monarchy, shook every pillar of law, justice, and private property, and most devoutly established a kingdom of the saints in their stead." Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No stonings. Stupid of you to perpetuate that idiotic misunderstanding of Protestant faith.
Try Tucker's Blackstone for the American version. Try the word "God." Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: So the Protestant idea of Biblical law doesn't include the punishments mandated by the Bible?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Sorry that's the Catholics again. Many Protestants DIED at the stake. Jan Hus, Tyndale for translating the Bible, Cranmer, Latimer and Ridley. All former Catholics become Protestant who got burned at the stake. It was a very rare occurence for Protestants to USE the stake. You've just named at least two who did.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I named two Protestants who burned others at the stake? Who did I name?
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