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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Melbourne attack: Man shot dead after fire and fatal stabbing - BBC News
This is a link to a story of how a terrorist in Melbourne has been killed by police after stabbing three people - one, regrettably, fatally. Of course, had he had free and easy access to semi-automatic weapons, he wouldn't have killed anywhere near so many as 1.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
As mass shootings pile up we keep hearing the common argument from the gun nut lobby about a good guy with a gun. But events show that confronting a gunman is highly risky and dangerous, for law enforcement and armed civilians alike. The shooter has a huge advantage. He can shoot at anything that moves, and often times his goal is suicide, either at his own hands or through armed confrontation.
Responders, on the other hand, must take great care to shoot only the shooter while insuring their own safety as much as possible and being careful not to hit bystanders. Officers are shot in one third of encounters with an active gunman. The other conclusion is that the open carry idiots out there are just asking to get shot if by chance they should happen upon a mass shooting. How many have a filled 30-round clip in their gun like the Thousand Oaks shooter - kind of makes the gun hard to fit in a holster, and I'll bet their pants would end up down around their ankles a lot. Here are some comments and excerpts from today's Washington Post article, Guard, officer killed in the nation’s latest mass shooting, stoking debate about active-shooter defenses: The unarmed guard outside the Borderline Bar and Grill was the first to be killed. A policeman who charged in while the firing was ongoing was killed. At the recent Synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh four policemen were shot. When politicians respond to mass shootings by saying things like, "It's important to find a way to remove the politics" (Jason Villabla, R-TX), what they really mean is, "Let's not mention gun control." In response to claims by people like Trump and the NRA and placing armed guards all over, experts say there is little evidence that armed guards have much effect. "The Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University found that just 4 percent of 106 mass shootings it analyzed between 2000 and 2015 ended with the shooter being shot before police arrived on the scene."
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The BBC has quite a few interesting articles about guns and gun control.
To wit: What If All Guns Disappeared? Take the politics out of it. By the numbers, what would we gain — and lose — if all firearms suddenly were wiped off the face of the planet? Is There A Link Between Mass Shootings And Mental Illness? That assumption is further reinforced each time a new mass shooting takes place, inevitably followed by calls for mental healthcare reform. But what does the evidence say about the relationship between mass shooters and mental illness? Are these acts of violence really a mental health problem? I like the BBC. They have well-written articles.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I like the BBC. They have well-written articles. Absolutely. And (for my money) fairly well balanced. They do get attacked by the alt-right for not being sufficiently bigoted and fascist, but I can get past that.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Percy writes: As mass shootings pile up we keep hearing the common argument from the gun nut lobby about a good guy with a gun. That's easily shown to be garbage. Here in the UK we have a spate of knife violence, mostly among youth and gangs. No-one, but no-one is calling for more good guys to be armed with knives. It's obviously a really, really stupid thing to say.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Today on NPR radio Melissa Block had a story on firearms and dementia:
There's also a written version: Firearms And Dementia: How Do You Convince A Loved One To Give Up Their Guns? One scary incident related in the story is when one night Ed didn't recognize his wife, Kathy, became frightened, and locked himself in their bedroom, at one point saying, "I have a gun." There *was* a gun in the room.Kathy spent the night in the hallway outside the bedroom afraid to call the police because it might escalate the situation. By morning Ed calmed down. Kathy took the gun, removed the ammunition, then locked the gun away in the basement. This thread isn't about dementia, but dementia is just one of things that can happen to us. As the story relates, many people keep loaded firearms in nightstands for self defense, violating one of the primary rules of gun safety: guns and ammunition should be locked away separately. Most people who are concerned about self defense or home defense do not follow this rule. This only makes bad situations worse. Should someone in the household become angry or suicidal or delusional or confused, a loaded and available gun in the house can only make a bad situation worse, potentially turning it into a tragedy where someone is injured or killed. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Emergency room doctors have reached the point where they've had to deal with the aftermath of gun violence for too long and are taking a stand, as reported here: Doctors Revolt After N.R.A. Tells Them to ‘Stay in Their Lane’ on Gun Policy
--Percy
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I read the NRA’s tweet, suggesting that doctors’ voices should effectively be silenced.
Interesting the NRA is so adamant about rights under the Second Amendment, but is totally opposed to people’s rights under the First.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
2-year-old found handgun under father’s pillow, fatally shot himself
What more need be said? --Percy
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Maybe if they had an armed guard in the bedroom the child wouldn't have been able to take the gun from under the pillow? Maybe in such a case he just would have been wounded and not killed?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Or maybe if it had been a semi-automatic rifle. They're so much better at preventing deaths.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
A couple weeks ago ICANT stupidly commented that he didn't think gun registries would help in crime solving. This goes counter to common sense, so I replied by supplying a couple of ways that gun registries might help capture the perpetrators of gun crimes. Today's New York Times has run an article (Catching Killers by Matching Tiny Marks on Bullets) that mentions The National Integrated Ballistic Information Network, something I didn't know existed. It describes an example of how the network helps catch criminals:
quote: All guns of all types everywhere should be registered in a database that includes ballistics and shell markings information. Here's more:
quote: Those against effective gun registration and strict licensing are just giving free rein to thugs and murderers. Sure criminals will skirt these laws, but the more that law abiding people follow them the harder it will become for criminals to hide. AbE: A short excerpt from another NYT article (My Father, a Judge, Said a Gun Control Case Was One of His Hardest. Now I See Why.):
quote: "Gun nut America" claims no efforts would keep criminals from hiding their use of guns, but that just doesn't compute. The truth is that gun advocates don't care about crime, they don't care about the carnage they're inflicting on themselves, friends and family, and they give the most credence to the fantasy in their own mind that if everyone carried a gun there would be less crime and fewer murders. One of the gun laws struck down in Washington DC required that rifles and shotguns be stored either locked or disassembled. --Percy Edited by Percy, : AbE.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Percy
Percy writes: You still have it backwards. If you claim that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow, YOU are the one who needs a reason. If you claim that there was a "change in nature", YOU are the one who needs a reason. The same place he/she would go to buy a gun if all guns were banned. The black market. Gun shows only allow licensed gun dealers to have booths at gun shows. How would you propose to get individuals to do a background check before they delivered a gun to someone? Have you ever been to a gun show?Probably not because people who go to gun shows go to buy a gun or to sell an antique gun to one of the antique dealers. An individual just wanting to sell a gun just runs a add in the little shopper paper and usually the gun is sold before the paper hits the streets. As the gun dealers get advance notice of guns for sale.
Percy writes: Percy writes:
What lie does Trump tell? A more informed electorate would help, too. Trump tells the people at his rallies that (for example, there are a wide range of topics Trump lies about to choose from) Democrats want open borders and they believe him.One of the lies that Trump likes to tell the most at his campaign rallies is that Democrats want open borders. Even the most rabid Trumpublican, assuming he's informed, would know that's not true. Then why did Senator Schumer kill the $20 billion bill to fund the border wall for 1 3/4 million dreamers when the democrats had only asked for 800,000? Sounds like the democrats want open borders to me.
Percy writes: You're misremembering. It looks like you're talking about the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, signed into law by Reagan in November of 1986. No one ever wanted the border closed or would want the border closed, not the Republicans or the Democrats. When I mention closing the border I am talking about everything between the legal entry points of entry. And that was what they promised Reagan they would do for the amnesty. Had that happened we would not have 12 million at the present.
Percy writes: But Trump *is* lying when he says Democrats are for open borders. They are not. No one is for open borders, and no one is for closed borders. Then they should put up the money to build the wall. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Ned
NosyNed writes:
But what he should ask himself is, having chosen to join a population that is demonstratively less safe, why should he think he isn't subject to whatever causes them to be less safe. It is called training Ned. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi ringo
ringo writes: As I said, the constitutional right to bear arms doesn't give you the moral right to blow people's heads off - any more than the legal right to own slaves gave people the moral right. I don't have any intention of blowing anyone's head off unless they are trying to blow my head off, my wife's or someone near me. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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