banning burqas

I'd ban wearing them to cover your face up, yes. In winter, hmm yes that's a good one. Damn you, stop making it difficult! I guess it would depend on how cold it is. No, there can still be someone different inside them.

My big problem with these sorts of arguments is the presumption that people have the right to identify you at all times. Don't we have any right to anonymity when we want it?

Hi Huntard, Okay... So this is all right; But this isn't. Right? I mean, they're covering their faces. They could be anybody. And this is acceptable; But this is illegal? How about this? Or this? Or this? I could go on, but you see what I mean. I think that there would be difficulties in drafting the kind of legislation you're proposing. It seems like there would at least have to be a great many exceptions, leaving the whole business very subjective indeed.Mutate and Survive

A couple questions.Is domestic violence illegal?As a society, are we willing to mandate individual identification?Is the issue even something that could be addressed under law?

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Sorry, but I'm cursed with being an arch pragmatist! True. But what if you made them remove the hood part of the Burka, and they were wearing a wig and a pair of Coke-bottle spectacles? Do you pull their hair to see if it is real or not? When exactly do you wish to invoke these identification procedures?Are they allowed to wear a motorcycle helmet? Or rather - is anyone allowed to?Are Burka-clad women causing so many problems that we have an urgent need to stop and identify them?

Hey Granny, Yes. Actually, I can see their face almost entirely. Ok in my book. Yes. Again, I can see most of the face, so this is ok. Book him Johny, can't see a thing! Can see the face, quite clearly actually. This one is a bit more tricky. But asians look alike anyway, so there's no point in seing their faces. Well, the only really difficult one I would say is the last one, all sillyness aside. Yes, it's not easy to implement this, but I really see no other valid argument for banning burqa's. So if this gets defeated, I guess we have to allow them.

*Takes The Lord Chimps name in vain* Depends on how much of their face it obscures. Depends on the situation. I want clear and simple visual confirmation to be possible, more in depth "confirmation" can be handled later. Not when walking around, no. When riding a bike, that's different of course. No, which is why I don't advocate this because of Burqa's. I advocate this for ease of identification. Once more, I don't fucking care what you wear, but you should be rather easily identifiable as you, don't you think?Also, I am not talking about situations that are "special", just when walking normally on the street or sidewalk. If you want to wear a Burqa cause your sister's being forced to marry a man twice her age, on the wedding I'd say that's ok.I hate you people for making this difficult!

Okay, so the little spider-kid is all right. But this little bastard is toast! Clap him in irons! Isn't it "Book him Danno"? Also, that's a woman under there, so I suppose her identity is pretty much concealed.I'm not going to go on and on with more tedious examples, but I still think that there will be lots of problems with this one. Motorcycle helmets. Mascot costumes. Kids play masks. Medical doo-dads. Judge Dredd... Given that a pair of sunglasses and a hood is enough to disguise anyone for most practical purposes, I don't see the justification.Mutate and SurviveEdited by Granny Magda, : Linky.

Walking on the sidewalk or street without any "special" reason, yes. And waterboard that terrorist! If you say so, you're english after all. Could be a woman, I don't know. No never! I deny problems!Yeah, you're probably right. Dammit! 20 to life! When walking on the sidewalk, of course. Allowed for their purpose. (say a game) Allowed ofr their purpose (say, a party) Allowed for their purpose. (say a open heart surgery) Allowed for its purpose (shouting "I am da luw!") Bah, another one bites the dust!I hate not thinking things through before leaping into something blind. Ah well, serves me right.

But...but...but, isn't that what huntards do?Edited by subbie, : Tyop

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Indeed. At least it provides some things to debate about.

I say they should outlaw burqas. No women should be forced to wear them, instead, they should wear bikinis and sell GM trucks for us. Or perhaps flash us while they're "going wild." And without a burqa, she'll be free to work the pool in a stripclub gracefully, which will lead to many men making it rain on them. This equals big bucks for the ladies...In other words, save the feminist crap and push for equality nonsense, this is about getting back at Muslims. In that sense, however, I'm for the ban.- Oni

I've walked to work when the windchill was -53° Celsius. Scarves, hoods, balaclavas, etc. are pretty common around here for much of the year.As far as I'm concerned, identification is a complete non-issue. If I'm just walking down the street minding my own business, no, you do not have a right to know who I am.

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Hmmm.I think there may be laws that the KKK cannot assemble in public with masks. Can anyone confirm? Maybe I am mistaken.In addition to the above unconfirmed law, I should think any place where there are specific and common-sensical security concerns (airport, at DMV getting photo license, etc.), the Burqa should be banned. Elseways, I agree, no one has the right to know my identity in public.

I hope not. I'd be against that.

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