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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 27 (553459)
04-03-2010 9:12 AM


We all can agree that according to Biblical scripture, Jesus rose on the first day. Right? So happy Easter Sabbath evening, as per the Biblical rendition of a day, being an evening and a morning, evening coming before morning.
So when did Jesus die? For the logical folks here, logically it comes out that he likely died sometime Wednesday eve.
1 day = Our Wednesday eve & our Thursday daytime
2 days=Our Thursday eve & our Friday daytime
3 days= Our Friday eve & our Saturday daytime.
If we begin counting from our Wednesday evening just after 6 or whenever the Jewish day officially began and count three full days it comes to just after 6 or so and comes out our Saturday eve. The scriptures say Jesus rose on the first day. I do not recall that they say he rose on the morning of the first day. Correct me if mistaken, but that the tomb was empty in the morning. (Abe: Our Saturday evening is the Jewish 1st Day morning, The Jewish first day evening ends on our Sunday evening. This all implies Jesus in the tomb a full 3 days and 3 nights. )
Edited by Buzsaw, : Simplify Thread Title and clarify
Edited by Buzsaw, : Change daytime on #3 to Saturday

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 2 of 27 (553463)
04-03-2010 9:33 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Happy Easter This ( our Saturday) Sabbath Evening! thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
kbertsche
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Message 3 of 27 (553481)
04-03-2010 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
04-03-2010 9:12 AM


As you know, the traditional belief is that Jesus was crucified on Friday and raised Sunday morning before dawn. I've seen some who claim a Thursday crucifixion. You are the first I've seen to claim Wednesday.
Many NT passages say that Jesus would be raised "on the third day." For example:
NET Bible writes:
Matt. 16:21 From that time on Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Matt. 17:23 They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised. And they became greatly distressed.
Matt. 20:19 and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged severely and crucified. Yet on the third day, he will be raised.
Luke 9:22 saying, The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Luke 18:33 They will flog him severely and kill him. Yet on the third day he will rise again.
Luke 24:7 that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and on the third day rise again.
Luke 24:46 and said to them, Thus it stands written that the Christ would suffer and would rise from the dead on the third day,
Acts 10:40 but God raised him up on the third day and caused him to be seen,
1Cor. 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures,
For an illustration of how this phrase "on the third day" was used, look at what Jesus said in Luke 13:32:
NET Bible writes:
Luke 13:32 But he said to them, Go and tell that fox, ‘Look, I am casting out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.
According to this verse, it seems that the traditional Friday crucifixion fits NT usage of the term "the third day". He is crucified on Friday, in the tomb the next day, and raised on the third day.

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Buzsaw
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Message 4 of 27 (553487)
04-03-2010 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by kbertsche
04-03-2010 1:35 PM


Tradition Problem
kbertsche writes:
According to this verse, it seems that the traditional Friday crucifixion fits NT usage of the term "the third day". He is crucified on Friday, in the tomb the next day, and raised on the third day.
Thanks for responding, Kbertsche. When I was a youngster in Christ, I bought into a lot of this kind of traditional stuff. Problem:
Matthew 12:40
American Standard Version :
Jesus writes:
.......for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Where's the third night?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hERICtic
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Message 5 of 27 (553501)
04-03-2010 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Buzsaw
04-03-2010 2:52 PM


Re: Tradition Problem
Lk 24:1
"But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared."
Jesus was raised on Sunday, not Friday.

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hERICtic
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Message 6 of 27 (553505)
04-03-2010 4:42 PM
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04-03-2010 4:35 PM


Re: Tradition Problem
Also, it could not have been Wednesday, it must have been Friday.
Luke 23: 55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
The commandment clearly states to keep it on the sixth day, Saturday.

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Buzsaw
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Message 7 of 27 (553530)
04-03-2010 7:40 PM


Reread
Herictic, you need to put your thinking cap on and read the OP. The Jewish 1st day began on our Saturday evening (evening and morning.
Nothing says he was rased in the AM. It just says the first day. You need to cite evidence for your claims.
Your work day was not a factor. Was that a joke or showing ignorance? Unless you want to debate in good faith, I'd appreciate if you'd find some thread in the Freeforall Forum. I'm too busy for you here for nonsense.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hERICtic
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Message 8 of 27 (553553)
04-03-2010 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
04-03-2010 7:40 PM


Re: Reread
Buzsaw writes:
Herictic, you need to put your thinking cap on and read the OP. The Jewish 1st day began on our Saturday evening (evening and morning.
Nothing says he was rased in the AM. It just says the first day. You need to cite evidence for your claims.
Your work day was not a factor. Was that a joke or showing ignorance? Unless you want to debate in good faith, I'd appreciate if you'd find some thread in the Freeforall Forum. I'm too busy for you here for nonsense.
Take a step back for a second. You have yet to offer ANY evidence to support your theory, yet you attack me for providing evidence, which you ignored.
Apparently the only one here who has not thought this through, would be yourself. Use a lil common sense as well as reading what scripture states, read what I wrote and try NOT jumping to conclusions.
I never said Jesus rose in the AM. Nowhere. I said Jesus rose on Sunday. Thats it.
You stated Jesus was raised on Friday. Then you stated it was Saturday. REread your opening post. When you posted the "days", you mention Friday evening twice. You meant Saturday morning instead.
I have already given the scripture where it states the women went to the tomb ON SUNDAY and Jesus was not there. Are you suggestiong he rose on Saturday morning, but no one noticed the rest of the day Saturday that he was missing?
What about the gospels which state he was to rise on the third day. By using Saturday, thats four days.
I already gave the scripture where it states as per the commandment, the rested on the Sabbath. The commandment states its the 6th day. This would be Saturday. Why didnt the women go before to see Jesus? Why wait until Sunday? They would have gone Friday.
Do you have any evidence within scripture that states its a Wed-Sat.?
Lk 24: 13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him.
17He asked them, "What are you discussing together as you walk along?"
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, "Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that have happened there in these days?"
19"What things?" he asked.
This occurs on Sunday.
"About Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
This is the THIRD day since this took place, Jesus crucified. Counting backwards, Sunday-Saturday, Friday. Thats three days. It cannot be Wednesday.
The gospels clearly state the day after his death was a Sabbath, a high day. Nowhere in the Bible is a high day EVER called a Sabbath. So it can only refer to Saturday. High days were called: "annual feasts, appointed feasts, appointed times, assemblies, solemn assembly, festal assemblies, Festival, fixed festivals, keeping years".
If Wednesday was Passover (14th), then if you count backwards, his entry would have been on Saturday, a Sabbath (the 10th it states is the Triumphant Entry).
So that means, the Jews broke the Sabbath by cutting all the palm branches.
So tell me Buz, between the two of us, who has their thinking cap on?
Also, Mark 16: 9When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week
This would make it Sunday.
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Edited by hERICtic, : No reason given.
Edited by hERICtic, : Additions.

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purpledawn
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Message 9 of 27 (553603)
04-04-2010 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
04-03-2010 7:40 PM


First Day, Not Dawn
quote:
Herictic, you need to put your thinking cap on and read the OP. The Jewish 1st day began on our Saturday evening (evening and morning.
Nothing says he was rased in the AM. It just says the first day. You need to cite evidence for your claims.
Your work day was not a factor. Was that a joke or showing ignorance? Unless you want to debate in good faith, I'd appreciate if you'd find some thread in the Freeforall Forum. I'm too busy for you here for nonsense.
A bit harsh for so early in the thread, Buz. The verse said dawn, not hERICtic. I think his point with the verse was first day of the week. I could also be wrong.
Pace yourself. Happy Easter!

Scripture is like Newton’s third law of motionfor every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
In other words, for every biblical directive that exists, there is another scriptural mandate challenging it.
-- Carlene Cross in The Bible and Newton’s Third Law of Motion

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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 27 (553646)
04-04-2010 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by hERICtic
04-03-2010 9:44 PM


OOPS HERECTIC IS RIGHT!
Hi HeRICT'ic. My sincere apologies and thanks for hanging in there. I'm the one without my thinking cap on when I did #3. I have to leave to go out to dinner but will check in later and read carefully the rest of your message.
1 day = Our Wednesday eve & our Thursday daytime
2 days=Our Thursday eve & our Friday daytime
3 days= Our Friday eve & our Friday Saturday daytime.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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kbertsche
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Message 11 of 27 (553648)
04-04-2010 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Buzsaw
04-03-2010 2:52 PM


Re: Tradition Problem
quote:
Matthew 12:40
American Standard Version :
quote:
.......for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Where's the third night?
Yes, a literal interpretation of this passage conflicts with the NT usage of "the third day." Maybe the Scriptures are inconsistent, or maybe the wording in the Jonah passage is a figure of speech. I vote for the latter.

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hERICtic
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Message 12 of 27 (553712)
04-04-2010 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by kbertsche
04-04-2010 1:48 PM


Re: Tradition Problem
Buz writes:
OOPS HERECTIC IS RIGHT!
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Hi HeRICT'ic. My sincere apologies and thanks for hanging in there. I'm the one without my thinking cap on when I did #3. I have to leave to go out to dinner but will check in later and read carefully the rest of your message.
No need to apologize. I quoted you above bc it cracks me up at how my "name" gets butchered. I figured, it was pure genius to combine Eric with herectic- hERICtic. Yet no one ever seems to get the name correct. In fact, you gave two different versions in your same post. Herectic and HeRICT'ic.
Maybe a new name? dERIClict? ERICtion? Um...scratch that last one. People will think I'm a prick.

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CosmicChimp
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Message 13 of 27 (553721)
04-04-2010 8:16 PM
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04-04-2010 7:30 PM


Re: Tradition Problem
Here's a few for ya:
Numeric, Generic, Maverick, Chimeric, Esoteric, Hysteric, Dexteric, Choleric.

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hERICtic
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Message 14 of 27 (553726)
04-04-2010 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by CosmicChimp
04-04-2010 8:16 PM


Re: Tradition Problem
Cosmic writes:
Here's a few for ya:
Numeric, Generic, Maverick, Chimeric, Esoteric, Hysteric, Dexteric, Choleric.
Too simple though! I wanted my name to fit in to make it a play on words! Hence Eric plus heretic, hERICtic. Although I do like the sound of HystERICal.
Thanks!

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nwr
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Message 15 of 27 (553729)
04-04-2010 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by hERICtic
04-04-2010 7:30 PM


Re: Tradition Problem
hERICtic writes:
Yet no one ever seems to get the name correct.
I think I have it correct.
I spell it "[mbrid=8463]".

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