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themasterdebator
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Message 1 of 11 (514199)
07-04-2009 5:46 PM


Honestly, this is the first forum I have ever used that does not have a button I could press to quote someone which I can then reply to. Its a huge convenience when I am trying to quote posts.
Even if I am not intending to quote the entire post, I can at least have the formatting and post available so I can delete what I don't need. This saves time from copying and pasting and manually imputting the formatting. The reply feature simply does not address this issue. A quote button would really solve allot of time and effort.
Furthermore, having a quote button would make it allot easier for new members who are used to forums having it. Its a very standard forum function.

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Message 2 of 11 (514203)
07-04-2009 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by themasterdebator
07-04-2009 5:46 PM


Why we killed "reply quote"

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Message 3 of 11 (514204)
07-04-2009 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by themasterdebator
07-04-2009 5:46 PM


You'll get used to it. It's no big deal.

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Message 4 of 11 (514208)
07-04-2009 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by themasterdebator
07-04-2009 5:46 PM


Hi themasterdebator,
Honestly, this is the first forum I have ever used that does not have a button I could press to quote someone which I can then reply to. Its a huge convenience when I am trying to quote posts.
Actually I find the manual system much better, as it gives your control over your choice of quote method.
type [qs]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:
quotes are easy
or type [quote]quotes are easy[/quote] and it becomes:
quote:
quotes are easy
Even if I am not intending to quote the entire post, ...
Which I consider lazy, and can be confusing, when you can actually take the points as discussed and there is no confusion. Typing [qs]...(add cut and paste)...[/qs] is such an imposition.
It may be necessary for continuity for a forum that does not link posts the way this one does - when you use the message reply button.
Furthermore, having a quote button would make it allot easier for new members who are used to forums having it. Its a very standard forum function.
Having such a button provides no benefit for quoting anything NOT in the message you are replying to, and, interestingly, this is where quotes should be used most - to substantiate your argument with evidence.
Enjoy.

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Taz
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Message 5 of 11 (514212)
07-04-2009 9:06 PM
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07-04-2009 6:14 PM


Re: Why we killed "reply quote"
Forum Rule 5
quote:
Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.

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Percy
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Message 6 of 11 (514246)
07-05-2009 9:11 AM


Another Problem With Reply Quote
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
I thought this feature would be neat when I first conceived it because no other forum software had it. Their reply/quote feature wasn't recursive, and so interior quotes had to be filtered out. But recursion had an unintended consequence: people would indiscriminately use it to reply and not remove any text at all, and things would get worse and worse:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
I thought this feature would be neat when I first conceived it because no other forum software had it. Their reply/quote feature wasn't recursive, and so interior quotes had to be filtered out. But recursion had an unintended consequence: people would indiscriminately use it to reply and not remove any text at all, and things would get worse and worse:
Still, reply/quote will probably make a comeback at some point. On our todo list is a modification that would disallow recursive quoting beyond some level, and also disallow quotes longer than a certain limit.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 7 of 11 (514247)
07-05-2009 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Percy
07-05-2009 9:11 AM


Re: Another Problem With Reply Quote
Dreamcatcher has it, and I find it a bit tedious. For example, if I wish to reply to someone, and use the reply button, it automatically captures the entire message dialogue from the thread, and I find myself editing out the parts I don't want quoted. Its easier for me to simply start from scratch, underline and cut/paste the quotes I want to use, and transfer everything into the reply box after organizing it on a wordpad document.

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themasterdebator
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Message 8 of 11 (514256)
07-05-2009 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Percy
07-05-2009 9:11 AM


Re: Another Problem With Reply Quote
You don't have to make quotes recursive, Percy. many forums I browse do not use recursive quotes. They simply quote the message you are replying to and not the quotes within it.

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themasterdebator
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Message 9 of 11 (514257)
07-05-2009 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by RAZD
07-04-2009 8:36 PM


RAZD, you make a good point. How about a compromise? Some forums I visit have an option where I can highlight text then click a button and it will insert quotes coding around it. Some may prefer to still enter it manually, but for those who like an automatic quoting feature it would be nice. In fact, you could apply this for all sorts of tags, image tags, bold, italics etc.

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Message 10 of 11 (514264)
07-05-2009 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by themasterdebator
07-05-2009 12:24 PM


options
Hi themasterdebator,
Some forums I visit have an option where I can highlight text then click a button and it will insert quotes coding around it. ... In fact, you could apply this for all sorts of tags, image tags, bold, italics etc.
I have seen a "pick-list" approach where you can select quote, text color, image, etc, and it would insert the appropriate start and end codes, and then you insert your copy and paste text, images etc.
You could also include code to reference a specific message or thread
[msg=-4] Message 4 of the current thread
[thread=-20,156] Now available for testing: dBoard 3.0 Beta
[msg=-20,156,-39] Message 39
I also like the way the whole thread scrolls for the general reply button compared to the static field for the message reply button -- especially when the post in question is long.
What it comes down to, is that there are a lot of options, and a limited number of people working on it.
If you want to help Percy, check out Now available for testing: dBoard 3.0 Beta.
Enjoy.

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Taz
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Message 11 of 11 (514275)
07-05-2009 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Percy
07-05-2009 9:11 AM


Re: Another Problem With Reply Quote
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
I thought this feature would be neat when I first conceived it because no other forum software had it. Their reply/quote feature wasn't recursive, and so interior quotes had to be filtered out. But recursion had an unintended consequence: people would indiscriminately use it to reply and not remove any text at all, and things would get worse and worse:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
Someone else writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
Percy writes:
This forum's software's reply/quote feature is a bit too powerful. It's what we experts call recursive. This means it can be invoked within itself. Allow me to demonstrate by first quoting me:
If all the above plus this sentence were a single message and someone were to use reply/quote on it then we would have:
This can go on ad infinitum:
I thought this feature would be neat when I first conceived it because no other forum software had it. Their reply/quote feature wasn't recursive, and so interior quotes had to be filtered out. But recursion had an unintended consequence: people would indiscriminately use it to reply and not remove any text at all, and things would get worse and worse:
Still, reply/quote will probably make a comeback at some point. On our todo list is a modification that would disallow recursive quoting beyond some level, and also disallow quotes longer than a certain limit.
--Percy
I know what you mean. I've seen some forums where this quotes-within-quotes-within-quotes were so prevalent that it was hard to actually see what words were the message.

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