Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,821 Year: 3,078/9,624 Month: 923/1,588 Week: 106/223 Day: 4/13 Hour: 0/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Proposed Rules for Debates
Pressie
Member
Posts: 2103
From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010


(1)
Message 31 of 44 (722808)
03-25-2014 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
03-25-2014 7:29 AM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
Faith writes:
I'm sure you can tell what age has been assigned by the theory to that rock, that I don't doubt, but its actual age, no.
Actually, we can study those rocks. They're there. We can get their ages. We get their exact ages.
What you, Faith, think about those rocks really, really is of no interest to humanity. At all. What is of interest is what sane people can determine.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 30 by Faith, posted 03-25-2014 7:29 AM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 32 by Faith, posted 03-25-2014 7:42 AM Pressie has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 32 of 44 (722809)
03-25-2014 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Pressie
03-25-2014 7:41 AM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
You can say it all you want, but if you are wrong about the exact age, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you?
And thanks much for the insult.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 31 by Pressie, posted 03-25-2014 7:41 AM Pressie has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 33 by Pressie, posted 03-25-2014 8:05 AM Faith has replied
 Message 35 by Percy, posted 03-25-2014 8:50 AM Faith has not replied

  
Pressie
Member
Posts: 2103
From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010


Message 33 of 44 (722813)
03-25-2014 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
03-25-2014 7:42 AM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
Faith writes:
You can say it all you want, but if you are wrong about the exact age, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you?
We sure will know. Been there, done it. Lots of different and divergent methods to determine ages. And they all converge to the same age in the case of the Clarens.
Faith writes:
And thanks much for the insult.
It's not an insult. It's just describing reality.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 32 by Faith, posted 03-25-2014 7:42 AM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 34 by Faith, posted 03-25-2014 8:39 AM Pressie has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 34 of 44 (722816)
03-25-2014 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Pressie
03-25-2014 8:05 AM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
ABE: Thanks again for the insult. If I didn't get insults at EvC I'd feel I wasn't doing my job.
We sure will know. Been there, done it. Lots of different and divergent methods to determine ages. And they all converge to the same age in the case of the Clarens.
/ABE.
Listen, I really would like to see your knowledge of the Clarens Formation discussed here, really really would. If you think you can prove that the age of the rocks makes a difference in what you did there please present your argument. ABE: Just stating it doesn't make the argument, but I'm sure there IS an argument to be made and I'd really like to see it.
ABE: If I may say so, I'd guess that you aren't the most articulate soul around so if you need help from some of the other geologists here to get your case across I'm sure they'd be willing to help.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 33 by Pressie, posted 03-25-2014 8:05 AM Pressie has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 37 by ringo, posted 03-25-2014 12:17 PM Faith has not replied
 Message 39 by Taq, posted 03-25-2014 7:54 PM Faith has not replied

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 22394
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.2


(3)
Message 35 of 44 (722817)
03-25-2014 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
03-25-2014 7:42 AM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
Faith writes:
You can say it all you want, but if you are wrong about the exact age, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you?
Faith, you're again using content-free arguments. This rebuttal you're using can be made about anything. You could say the same thing to a heliocentrist and it would make as much sense: "You can say the Earth orbits the sun all you want, but if you are wrong about the that, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you?"
That you're unpersuaded of an old Earth by the evidence simply puts you in the same category as geocentrists and flat-Earthers who are equally unpersuaded by the evidence. That such people as yourself exist has no bearing whatsoever on the facts, which also exist and are all against you.
I would propose this rule of debate: If you have nothing to say, don't say anything.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 32 by Faith, posted 03-25-2014 7:42 AM Faith has not replied

  
Coyote
Member (Idle past 2107 days)
Posts: 6117
Joined: 01-12-2008


(5)
Message 36 of 44 (722839)
03-25-2014 10:35 AM


Purveyors of unknowledge
Some of the posts above reminded me of a short essay I saw on another website some years ago. I managed to track it down.
It doesn't describe the situation here exactly, but I submit the overall flavor is remarkably fitting.
In the history of the world, only a tiny fraction of all the people who ever lived have had the opportunity to ask highly qualified scientists direct questions, and learn from their wisdom. Happily, because of the internet..., it is now possible for people from all walks of life to converse directly with all sorts of scientific experts; we have physicists, microbiologists, mathematicians, astronomers, and chemists, to specify but a few, roaming these threads, and eager to explain what they know and how they know it to virtually anyone willing to ask an intelligent question.
But there is another segment of people on these threads who, instead of asking these learned folks intelligent questions and thus expanding their knowledge and understanding, insist instead upon bludgeoning them with their ignorance, and questioning the patriotism, honesty, and intellect of people who have dedicated their lives to the pursuit of scientific knowledge.
I submit that such people are not here to learn anything, but are in fact interested in quite the opposite. I submit they are here to interfere with the dissemination of scientific knowledge that they find offensive. They don't want other people to ask the experts questions and learn from them; no, they are here to attack the experts and cast doubt upon their wisdom, in the desperate hope that others will turn away and not listen to them.
IMHO that is why the same people show up over and over again parroting the same refuted diatribes and misinformation, and spewing the same bogus out-of-context quotes designed specifically to disrupt the dissemination of scientific knowledge. That's why the same people show up over and over again misrepresenting what scientific theories and laws are, despite having had it explained to them 1720th time; they are here to instill confusion and spread their ignorance, not to disseminate knowledge.
The experts here on these threads ought to be revered and thanked for sharing with us their insights and explanations of the natural world around us; instead scorn is heaped upon them and their knowledge by the belligerently ignorant. I submit that these purveyors of unknowledge should be treated for the intellectual disruptors that they are. They stare the best opportunity any of us will ever have to gain more insight and understanding in the eye, and spit in the faces of those who offer and have the knowledge to help make that a reality.
Behold, I give you the belligerently ignorant, the intellectual Luddites of our time. Know them for the anti-knowledge disruptors they are.
Longshadow

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

Replies to this message:
 Message 38 by RAZD, posted 03-25-2014 5:11 PM Coyote has replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


(1)
Message 37 of 44 (722851)
03-25-2014 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
03-25-2014 8:39 AM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
Faith writes:
If I didn't get insults at EvC I'd feel I wasn't doing my job.
Yes, we know your full-time job is martyrdom.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 34 by Faith, posted 03-25-2014 8:39 AM Faith has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 43 by Dr Adequate, posted 03-25-2014 10:33 PM ringo has seen this message but not replied

  
RAZD
Member (Idle past 1406 days)
Posts: 20714
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004


Message 38 of 44 (722892)
03-25-2014 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
03-25-2014 10:35 AM


Re: Purveyors of unknowledge
... 1720th ...

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 36 by Coyote, posted 03-25-2014 10:35 AM Coyote has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 40 by Coyote, posted 03-25-2014 9:16 PM RAZD has seen this message but not replied

  
Taq
Member
Posts: 9975
Joined: 03-06-2009
Member Rating: 5.7


Message 39 of 44 (722961)
03-25-2014 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
03-25-2014 8:39 AM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
Thanks again for the insult. If I didn't get insults at EvC I'd feel I wasn't doing my job.
Nothing like saying something stupid, and then claiming persecution because someone points out how stupid your statements are.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 34 by Faith, posted 03-25-2014 8:39 AM Faith has not replied

  
Coyote
Member (Idle past 2107 days)
Posts: 6117
Joined: 01-12-2008


(1)
Message 40 of 44 (722994)
03-25-2014 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by RAZD
03-25-2014 5:11 PM


Re: Purveyors of unknowledge
... 1720th ...
Yes. Exactly!
On that other website we were informed by a creationist that those were the exact odds against evolution being possible.
That illustrates very clearly why those who know nothing about science should not seek to lecture those who do as to how science should be done.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 38 by RAZD, posted 03-25-2014 5:11 PM RAZD has seen this message but not replied

  
roxrkool
Member (Idle past 989 days)
Posts: 1497
From: Nevada
Joined: 03-23-2003


Message 41 of 44 (723011)
03-25-2014 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Pressie
03-24-2014 11:56 PM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
The applicability of geology to real world problems is what Coragyps is trying to illustrate with his thread on oil geology. But as those of us who work in the fields of applied geologic science know, it's not an easy topic to tackle in a forum.
Like you, I'm also in mining and understanding ore deposits through time is crucial to finding more in the future. I would love to put together a post on the spatial-temporal evolution/distribution of various ore deposits, but I simply don't have the time. Things like BIFs, Archean Gold, Greenstone belts, Komatiites, Witwatersrand, VMS, ore-lineament associations, etc.
Despite what many Creationists believe, I don't get paid to disprove flood geology.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by Pressie, posted 03-24-2014 11:56 PM Pressie has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 42 by Coyote, posted 03-25-2014 10:15 PM roxrkool has not replied
 Message 44 by Pressie, posted 03-26-2014 1:08 AM roxrkool has not replied

  
Coyote
Member (Idle past 2107 days)
Posts: 6117
Joined: 01-12-2008


Message 42 of 44 (723022)
03-25-2014 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by roxrkool
03-25-2014 9:48 PM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
Despite what many Creationists believe, I don't get paid to disprove flood geology.
Nobody gets paid for that. There's no need.
For over 200 years that's just where all the evidence has been pointing!
Why should anyone get paid for doing what's happening anyway!!???
But you can see why creationists are so paranoid. The worm turned a couple of hundred years ago and they've been on the wrong side of the evidence ever since.
But they can't accept the evidence; they just have to make up increasingly futile excuses for why it is all against them.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 41 by roxrkool, posted 03-25-2014 9:48 PM roxrkool has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 285 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


(2)
Message 43 of 44 (723025)
03-25-2014 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by ringo
03-25-2014 12:17 PM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
Yes, we know your full-time job is martyrdom.
The pay is dreadful but the benefits are out of this world.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 37 by ringo, posted 03-25-2014 12:17 PM ringo has seen this message but not replied

  
Pressie
Member
Posts: 2103
From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010


Message 44 of 44 (723036)
03-26-2014 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by roxrkool
03-25-2014 9:48 PM


Re: Pressie is two edumacated
roxrkool, I'm looking forward to that thread on oil geology, as I know virtually nothing about it.
I do realise that it will be a hard and very time consuming (without pay!) topic to do, as it will have to start from the basics.
It would really be very difficult to summarise the work of thousands of the oil specialists, for over a century, in one thread. Good luck to Coragyps.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 41 by roxrkool, posted 03-25-2014 9:48 PM roxrkool has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024